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ETFs are a trap. Put most of your money in single stocks. It is ok to diversify, you don't need an ETF for this.


> It is ok to diversify

Nay, it is not just “ok”. It is imperative that you diversify if you want a strong and resilient portfolio.


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Absolutely, I moved all my investments to single stocks that I thought would do well that decision the best that I’ve ever made from an investment standpoint, the returns are infinitely better…


This is terrible advice, are you buying and self balancing hundreds of different stocks?


What is the problem? If you buys a SP500 ETF you're effectively buying 500 stocks. You don't need that much, but if that is your wish it is still better than using ETFs.


I can’t say I’ve tried this but the thought just came to me that generating such trades would be trivial to do monthly now.


Sure, if you want to print a 1000 page supplement and staple it to your taxes.

More seriously, I would still worry about order execution and transaction costs. You are likely to end up on the wrong side of the bid/ask spread when playing against the big boys.

If you're actually serious about this, you might as well start your own ETF. Or just buy this one I found after a quick Google: https://www.proshares.com/our-etfs/strategic/spxt Buying multiple sector-specific ETFs is another approach. I'm told that utilities are good to hold during a downturn.


In some countries (like Switzerland) you don't have any capital gain tax __unless_ you are a professional investor. What makes you a professional investor? One of the things that can elevate you to that status is the amount of trades you make.

So I am sure this is not viable for many people as buying an ETF counts like 1 trade, but investing the same money in the underlying assets count like 10s of trades.


Unless you have huge amount of money to play, there is no need to buy dozens of stocks every month. If you already have a portfolio of several stocks, you can buy just one or two every month and increase your portfolio. If you are just starting, you can buy a few more, or decide to start just with the most boring and safe stocks like coca-cola or IBM.


Diversification is good, but you probably don't need 100s of stocks.


Direct indexing is a thing.


It’s a thing but your order execution won’t be as efficient as an ETF, so you will be losing a non-negligible amount each year in slippage from the large number of small transactions


Unless you're over trading (which is not the goal) you'll pay very little because you're buying and not selling for several years. This will end up being less than the fee you pay to the ETF every year.


You don't have to do the large number of small transactions, you know? Just diverge from the index, it's fine!


If you are making regular contributions to an account, then you may be able to rebalance via purchases alone.


> It’s a thing but your order execution won’t be as efficient as an ETF, so you will be losing a non-negligible amount each year in slippage from the large number of small transactions

Not necessarily

ETF managers execute block trades outside the normal market, sometimes through dark pools, not even reported to the public.

Fidelity, Vanguard, etc ask JPMorgan, Goldman to execute these block trades and pay them a fee. This fee can exceed the “slippage” a retail investor can face.


It is very true what they said. In an ETF you get both bad stocks and good. You have no choice. If you diversify manually you can pick and choose only the crème de la creme But… people love to be lazy or just aren’t knowledgeable enough to pick their stocks themselves and thus it is safer for them to just stick to broad strokes of an index fund. For starters as basic portfolio, you could 1:1 an index fund but take out all the garbage from it and keep only the strong, bright future companies.

ETF are just noob introduction to the stock market and great one at that but to maximize returns you want to be more specific and intentional about your picks.

Where etfs are great even after you learn a lot, is exposure to whole sectors of the industry. That’s how I treat them: one - etf - an index of how a particular industry fares.

Source: I basically live solely from investments at 30


If that were true, then one would expect a competitive fund that does just that and that give higher ROI than an S&P 500 index fund (or index ETF) when you consider expense ratio. What is a such a fund? Or, alternatively, can you point us to a comprehensive list of those companies you would exclude from the index to get superior returns?


My returns are around 20 percent per year for years. I lack will and energy to list everything I owned but it’s basically a method of value investing + momentum trading so two opposites. You could say it’s a diversification of investing philosophies.

Honestly it’s a free for all game so no one has any interest to share their secrets and methods. When you lose money I make money. Better player wins.


> My returns are around 20 percent per year for years.

That's unbelievable! Even Warren Buffet only makes 19% - 20% compounded every year. That would make you one of the top investors ever.


Lots of people think they can do better than the index funds. Some do, for a while.


Buffet was severely handicapped by the amount of money he had available. He mentioned that himself. If he had to manage only a smaller amount of money he would easily achieve 40% or more per year.


> Even Warren Buffet only makes 19% - 20% compounded every year. That would make you one of the top investors ever.

Not really.

Plenty of hedge funds and HFT firms make 40-100% each year (before fees) over 30-40 years…

Citadel’s “stock picking ability” is 40% annual returns since 1999

They just don’t advertise this because it’ll make retail traders and passive ETF investors really sad


I doubt it makes people sad (well not me at least) because the buy in to get Citadel to invest for you is what 10? 50 million?

You could hit up juleiie from above for his/her winning method I suppose, or you put a portion of your savings into an appropriate ETF and get on with your life.


Ah, the old trick: "I would simply pick the good stocks".


I prefer the casino.


return on the average stock is -2% iirc, terrible idea




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