I think a more generous interpretation of dang's comment is that it's fine to use LLMs / tools to fix grammatical errors / spellchecking, but a heavier pass where the prose, wording and tone is altered (even mildly) can create a 'slop ambience' over time, death by a thousand paper cuts.

There's a gradient here for sure, but it's getting clear that people using LLMs "only" for grammar and spelling fixes are underestimating how much else the LLMs are doing.

Slop ambience just sure sounds to me like HN is banning a prose style. I guess I just think that if this is how the rule will be enforced, that is how it should be written.

HN already does a decent amount of content-policing, which helps keep the discussion higher quality. I don't see a huge diversion here from the usual moderation.

Home can be sure the LLM is modifying just the prose style? Moreover, prose style is one of signal that convey information about what you are trying to transmit (unlike code, which is totally debatable if it should have meaning on its own).

If you're referring to speaking in English - in general I think there is a huge amount of flexibility for making mistakes in English. I'm a native speaker, I am so used to hearing various levels of English from different nationalities that i'm almost blind to it. I much prefer to hear someones true voice even if there are a few inaccuracies, so much of a person's personality is conveyed through their quirks and mistakes.

Huh. I have the opposite opinion. I'm monolingual English for all intents and purposes but I gathered that opinion from quite a few sources, including:

- We had to take spelling tests in school

- English speakers make (generally light) fun of other's spelling or grammar mistakes in a casual setting

- In a professional setting, a lot of time is taken to proofread our own emails

- There's de jure spellings for every word

- Some online communities are really weird about pointing out grammar and spelling mistakes (namely Reddit)

Language is meant to be a fluid, evolving thing but I always felt like English was treated the opposite way. Maybe that's also why it's the de facto Lingua Franca.

I do think, and hope, that this rigidity will change thanks to AI. I've started to embrace my mistakes. I care a lot less about capitalization and punctuation in my Slack messages, for example.

I agree with this, and I’d even say that all the grammatical and spelling mistakes, awkward constructions, and labored phrasing is what makes a person’s posts sound like themselves. If people commonly use LLMs to rewrite themselves, then everyone starts sounding the same. And the posts, the users, and the entire site all become a lot less interesting.

I'm absolutely with both of you, but I'd like to point out that non-native speakers often tread a very fine line. They need to fear sounding either too convoluted or a bit of a simpleton. Proficiency levels vary wildly, and not everybody in the audience is as receptive and welcoming to slight mistakes as you are, even tough I have to admit HN in particular is pretty tolerant.

I for one don't think I'll ever AI-wash my texts or use AI translations verbatim. If everybody else did, it would certainly be a sad loss of diversity, but IMO it's only going to make the people who put in their own effort stand out more. Hopefully in a positive way. Time will tell if we're a dying breed.

I'm afraid the need for anybody to learn foreign languages will be subject to much change and discussion for upcoming generations.

I literally got a taxi today in Berlin because the trains were on strike, and the other day because the trains and trams were broken due to ice. You really can’t think of valid uses for a taxi?

For one, it has dynamic memory allocation and is much faster and resource efficient. Drop in replacement. It also has a rather nice UI,

Ironically your comment is clearly written by an LLM.

Ironic indeed: pattern-matching the prose style instead of engaging the idea is exactly the shallow reading the post is about.

Your original comment is completely void of any substance or originality. Please don't fill the web with robot slop and use your own voice. We both know what you're doing here.

I dunno, he might have just been reading too much that he really writes like this now. I've seen it happen.

no, definitely not. It was 100% LLM written. Look at their post history.

Your comment is AI generated

I'll give you the style is like an LLM but the thoughts seem a bit unlike one. I mean the MathArena Apex results indicating a new discovery rather than more data is definitely a hypothesis.

Also panarky denies it.

It doesn't matter what the law is, it's setup to allow these malicious practices. It's bad legislation.

Perfectly explained, thanks!

How much fraud we talking? I like to think along Matt Levine's ideas that at least some amount of fraud is acceptable - there will always be some amount of it and under or over-regulation creates a net-negative.

Tough to measure. A couple data points:

-NY state estimate $150–200M per year lost to real estate transfer tax fraud and evasion. On $3B receipts that is 5-6% breakage.

-Harris County (Houston) found $21M in improper homestead exemptions. On ~$7B receipts that is ~0.3% breakage

-Miami-Dade found $35M on $6.5B for improper homestead exemptions, 0.5% breakage

For comparison, IRS net tax gap is about 12%

One would expect transfer tax fraud/evasion to be an order of magnitude different from improper homestead exemptions.

For sure. Probably should be using the total homestead exemption eligibility as the denominator instead of prop tax receipts. Even then transfer tax is a "hill" and the homestead exemption is a "valley." But It's hard enough to estimate any of this data from a keyboard in a few seconds

You're most likely incorrect, the post is almost certainly written with AI. It has all the tropes.