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I normally don't contribute to HN comments these days (too much anger in the comments section) but I appreciate your post and activities.

I am a tail-end boomer in the U.S. so my experiences were with a world where socializing was more functional: we shopped in public, played in public, read in public libraries, watched movies in public, rode transit together, etc. Being in public was a requirement, not a choice. While there are still remnants of this older culture still active in today's world in urban life, there are so many options for not being in public that it is simply easier to avoid it. We all want our space in one degree or another.

On the playground growing up, my world was filled with name-calling and backbiting. I was a heavier kid, so that was my burden. Other kids had bucked teeth, warts, limps, they were too short, or too tall, uncoordinated--whatever--nobody really escaped the wrath of the crowd. We were forced, by our parents, to just deal with it.

My parents like many others in their generation recognized this behavior for what it was--natural. Watch an episode of the Little Rascals--you will see what I am referring to.

Most if not all of those kids who were called names and isolated in some way found ways to break out of their pigeon hole: playing sports, playing music, making art, studying hard at school, boxing, singing, dancing, cracking jokes, whatever. Then they were heroes, and the crowd could celebrate them--and they thrived.

I know this sounds overly idealistic, but it is true. I experienced this first hand in a neighborhood of several hundred kids from broken homes, poor homes, ethnic homes, etc.

Voiceless people must find their voice. The responsibility is their's. The crowd will not come to the rescue of the person who won't stand up for themselves and make their way in life.

Loneliness is very, very sad. The cure to loneliness is in the powerful hands of the lonely person. Do whatever it takes, as long as it takes, to work on those things that hold the lonely person back from achieving something--anything--for themselves and then engage with the crowd with more confidence.

I appreciate what you are doing by helping others--that is one of your superpowers. Live a good, strong life!


Your first paragraph is what I've always thought: "back in the day" most people simply didn't have the option to be a hermit. In modern life, your bills, grocery shopping, car registration, hobbies, etc. can all be handled online / in your home.

In my opinion, it takes a lot of time and energy to avoid loneliness in the modern era. So, advice about "just get yourself out there" is technically accurate, but it misses the mark since previous generations didn't need to put much thought, if any, into socializing. Perhaps not everyone is wired to focus so much energy into that aspect of their life and we're seeing that play out with modern amenities?


Thanks for the rare comment.

I agree that these people need to do the work themselves.

But they first need to be encouraged and motivated, no? Otherwise they'd have done it by now. That's kind of what I'm trying to figure out how to do.


Unchecked groups like you describe and large part of reason why so many people checked out first time they could. The in person contact they were forced into was not helping them or was actively harming them. People escaped - by leaving those bullies and going elsewhere. It is, frankly, ridiculous to claim that those people found "crowd to cheer them". They either found better healthy place of were lonely. You are describing a playground full of bullies and frankly parents who enabled it are equal assholes.

Following may sound like bad faith, but I 100% mean it. Now, former bullies complain they are lonely as others used the option to leave. Those others may be lonely too, but they are still better off then being degraded.

> Voiceless people must find their voice. The responsibility is their's. The crowd will not come to the rescue of the person who won't stand up for themselves and make their way in life.

Bullies are responsible for bullying. Punishing bullies is necessary part of the solution. The responsibility is not just on victims. And if you push the responsibility on victim, stop complaining that the victim left.


> Most if not all of those kids who were called names and isolated in some way found ways to break out of their pigeon hole:

Social exclusion is psychologically damaging, and often is directed at people who are ND, LGBTQI+, introverted, different culture/skin colour, etc.

I find it troubling that you say "most if not all ... were heroes ... and they thrived". No. You describe abuse, plain and simple. Abuse is not the forge of character development or great art. What you excuse as sounding "overly idealistic" is actually incredibly toxic.

And I know people who are deeply, profoundly psychologically broken as a result of this amazing process you describe that causes "most, if not all" of these people to "thrive".

> I normally don't contribute to HN comments these days

I see why.


Thanks for the chuckle


Officially jumped the shark?


They have officially jumped the shark.


This whole housing question boils down to leveraged (and tax advantageous) savings and ownership of something that appreciates in value. For individuals that do not have enough capital or income to purchase an entire property, there needs to be 1) the ability to participate as a fractional owner in properties with commensurate tax benefits or 2) the ability to invest in some other leveraged, appreciating asset (or fraction thereof) that has similar high demand and societal benefit as housing--e.g. franchises based on entertainment, health and wellbeing, public utilities, etc.


I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here yet, and I don't want to be pedantic, but for centuries famous artists, musicians, writers, etc. have used assistants to do their work for them. The list includes (but in no way is this complete): DaVinci, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Rubens, Raphael, Warhol, Koons, O'Keefe, Hepworth, Hockney, Stephen King, Clancy, Dumas, Patterson, Elvis, Elton John, etc. etc. Further, most scientific, engineering and artistic innovations are made "on the shoulders of giants." As the saying goes: there is nothing new under the sun. Nothing. I suggest that the use of an LLM for writing is just another tool of human creativity to be used freely and often to produce even more interesting and valuable content.


No that’s complete rubbish, it’s a bad analogy.


Counterpoint: It's a fine thought, and an excellent analogy.


Believe it or not, your two's wrongs don't make a right.


Blinded me with science


Yes, things are really moving a head.


Everything is starting to snap into place


they are putting a new face on crime solving

by stacking one clue on top of another.


they'll take apart this criminal empire brick by brick


no stone will be left unturned


As long as nothing blocks the investigation!


I doubt we see many knee jerk mistakes on this one...


i think we have stoned this analogy to death now


This is focused on California politics. But even so, energy, utilities, real estate, entertainment, agriculture, and healthcare have a lot of influence on California politics. Tech is most likely not the biggest if you look at lobbying data.


Not to mention the movie industry.


You mean the industry that has practically relocated to Vancouver, Toronto, and Georgia due to the aggressive tax breaks those governments give, which the governors and legislature have been refusing to do for a decade?

Almost nothing is filmed in LA county anymore.


Benefits are the cause of increased cost in school systems:

https://reason.org/commentary/administrative-bloat-isnt-the-...

Benefits are likely affecting municipal government in the same way.


Really a market shaping failure by the federal government here.


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