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If you are able now to create 10 products instead of 1 in the same time frame you will have to plan, review and maintain 10 things instead of 1. How can this work? I mean to double your productivity is a huge jump but 10x sounds unsustainable.

Well, AI fanatics aren't about longevity or maintaining things. The fact that the LLM spit out a bunch of code is good enough for them. Drive-by PRs and vaporware are their bread & butter.

Apple had been around 12 til 2019, now around 32 [1]. They were/are discounted for a long time but some kind of stocks had a price never based on fundamentals.

[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/pe-rati...


> Even getting your neighbors to re-position their Ring cameras (which they have every right to install) can become very difficult.

In Germany it's prohibited by law to point your private surveillance camera to public spaces like the boardwalk, no recording of these areas is allowed. I think thats the way it should be. Unfortunately in some areas (e.g. train stations) it is allowed.


You'd prefer train stations don't have CCTV? What about when an attack happens?

That’s what this ENTIRE conversation is about… the (ostensible) trade off between surveillance and security.

In the case of an attack, I’d wish for a gendarme not a recording that would let me relive the experience.


Right, and I was saying it's wrong not to want surveillance in a super public area like a train station.

A gendarme is worse in every way.


The gendarme might actually arrest the attacker. The security camera will do nothing (but record). And having the policeman standing there is about as much a deterrent as a "Smile--You're Being Recorded" sign.

> The gendarme might actually arrest the attacker.

So might the cops we already have in such places.

> The security camera will do nothing (but record).

Exactly as intended.

> And having the policeman standing there is about as much a deterrent as a "Smile--You're Being Recorded" sign.

This seems like a weird thing to say. Cops are more of a deterrent than a gendarme.


If I had a choice, I think I’d prefer not to have my death recorded and viewed by many strangers.

Such footage generally isn't viewable by the public unless it serves the public good.

I'd argue they should be better positioned, to minimize off-railroad property intrusion.

They still need to capture incidents in the station itself.

This argument justifies CCTV surveillance of all public places.

Is that what you intend to be arguing for? In any case, there needs to be more nuance in the discussion than a one-liner.

I think the quantity of surveillance matters. When it’s just a few places, then it’s a minor intrusion on liberty. When it’s a lot of places, it’s a major intrusion that will facilitate the (further) rise of authoritarianism.


> This argument justifies CCTV surveillance of all public places.

Well, yeah, I think that was super obvious, no?

> In any case, there needs to be more nuance in the discussion than a one-liner.

Not really. Super public busy places like train stations ought to be surveilled. The benefits far outweigh any cons.


There is far more nuance than this.

What counts as a "super public busy place" ? The airport? The bus terminal? The local library? All major roads that experience rush hour traffic?

Who is the person who says where the cutoff line is? What if that authority wants to move the line to include everything? Or nothing? Do they even need to provide notice to the public of their actions?

Who should be able to access to all this footage? Public? Government investigative branches only? What about the system administrators?

Does this footage require attestation to prove it's legitimacy in a world where AI can generate footage?

How long should this footage exist for? Do I have to trust not just current admins and their superiors but all the people who may be in those roles in perpetuity? IE do I have to trust people who haven't even been born yet?

Is it allowed to be centralised, so people can easily be tracked from one site to another for every step outside their house? Or should each site have separate data housing with access terms to match so that tracking a person is a significant task?

.. ..

There are a lot of concerns. You may argue that there isn't a lot of nuances because you have a set idea of how it should all go. But others may differ.


> There is far more nuance than this.

There's just....not. It's a pretty well established concept by now. For almost 50 years or so.

> What counts as a "super public busy place" ? The airport? The bus terminal? The local library? All major roads that experience rush hour traffic?

Yes to all of these.

> Who is the person who says where the cutoff line is?

Not a person, but a sound methodology ideally. Kind of like what we've mostly been doing even if it isn't formalized.

> What if that authority wants to move the line to include everything?

Yes, the slippery slope is a problem, agreed. That's why we need to be vigilant in responding to government plans.

> Do they even need to provide notice to the public of their actions?

In a civilized democracy, they should.

> Government investigative branches only?

Yes, pretty much.

> What about the system administrators?

Not if it can be avoided.

> Does this footage require attestation to prove it's legitimacy in a world where AI can generate footage?

No.

> How long should this footage exist for?

3 - 6 months is typically standard.

> Do I have to trust not just current admins and their superiors but all the people who may be in those roles in perpetuity? IE do I have to trust people who haven't even been born yet?

You have to trust the system is accountable.

> Is it allowed to be centralised,

Ideally, no.

> Or should each site have separate data housing with access terms to match so that tracking a person is a significant task?

Bingo.

> There are a lot of concerns. You may argue that there isn't a lot of nuances because you have a set idea of how it should all go. But others may differ.

I'd argue your concerns have already been addressed by current systems that have worked fine for decades.


> I'd argue your concerns have already been addressed by current systems that have worked fine for decades.

The issue is that times are changing. "Worked fine for decades" doesn't apply to the Ring Doorbell or Flock. Or that authorities exactly want to have all footage in the one place, from train stations too.

Modern computers allow for scaling of capabilities that are only tolerable at all when limited in number.

IE the capability to track an individual's every movement is tolerable if it is limited in number, has oversight, and only used by appropriate authorities against bad people that everyone can agree are bad.

But being able to track minority groups en masse as modern systems are capable of is clearly an issue.

I see your parameters to the above questions as mostly reasonable although I'd rather not have the cameras everywhere in the first place. But do you think even your reasonable seeming desires are being adhered to?

I don't.


I'm not arguing for mass surveillance, I'm arguing for keeping surveillance in busy places which as you admit has worked well for decades. I'm against the Ring/Flock dystopian nightmare as well.

> But do you think your desires are being adhered to?

No, but I think an apathetic population are the problem, and I don't know how to solve it.


I think we are largely in agreeance here.

It was the thing about "nuances" that bugged me mostly. The nuances determine whether the benefits outweigh the cost.

Appropriately managed isolated systems are fine. Dystopian nightmare is not.

.. and the apathy might doom us all. Thank you for an interesting thread of conversation.


> and the apathy might doom us all.

That, and the eagerness for misinformation that fits with preconceptions.

> Thank you for an interesting thread of conversation.

Likewise!


The CCTV won't do shit to stop me from being attacked, it's a camera, not a cop. It's only useful for figuring out who to blame after the fact.

But there are other ways that we could figure out who to blame after the fact that don't require everything you will ever do to be recorded, forever.


> But there are other ways that we could figure out who to blame after the fact that don't require everything you will ever do to be recorded, forever.

No one said anything about retaining footage forever.

What are your suggestions for help finding an attacker without CCTV footage?


> No one said anything about retaining footage forever.

It's inevitably what happens.


It doesn't have to be, but that brings us back to the problem being an apathetic or misinformed population.

So, what you propose only works if people weren't people..?

I'm going to have to do a hard 'hell no', in that case.


Well, not just what I propose but a lot of aspects of society would be improved if we could subject people to mandatory reeducation and/or limit who gets to vote. Even just requiring a college degree to vote, or a simple quiz testing knowledge of what is being voted on would do wonders.

it runs quite fast on a first generation mac studio with safari



I remember looking at it about 20 (?) years ago and came back disappointed that I could not use it on my Mac. Well, at least I was able to revive this feeling today... :-(


It works under Wine (with Crossover or the discontinued Whiskey Wine port).


Surprised it isn’t on linux


At least the engine seem to be able to output linux games. IOS is also possible but not the Mac...


Even if you are right and everything is the same regarding surveillance and regulation: there are other important aspects that make the move to move european data out of the US worthwhile.


> other important aspects

like what?


I will just provide 2 examples, but you can find a lot more.

If your data is in the hands of a nation that uses this to block you from your data you should do something about it. [1]

If your data is in the hands of a nation whose representatives are threatening your territorial integrity (greenland) you should find alternatives.

[1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Criminal-Court-Microsoft-s-emai...


Right, but next time your data may be threatened by some European idiot rather than one from the US.

To quote from my other comment:

> In my view, data can only be protected by its rightful owner. And for that, we need education, not regulation.


maybe, but education won‘t solve the issues I outlined above. So in interest of european security I‘m all for regulation of this.


One-lane-roundabouts are very safe. I lived in Hannover (Germany) in the 80s and 90s, they had 2 or 3 lanes in the roundabouts. There were large signs that counted the accidents (200+/year) to raise awareness and during the trade fairs (anybody remembers Cebit?) the number of accidents peaked. Today they are all a lot safer because of a lot of traffic lights.


Cannibalize meant in this case to have product that will kill one of your other products (in this case the back then cash cow iPod would be killed by the iPhone).

I don't see this in Tesla.


The Y and 3 do everything the X and S do. I don't see how they could keep making them without eating away sales.


Not really. The Y doesn't even come close on towing capacity.


But the CyberTruck does, though it is an entirely different segment.


At that time 30% was not something you would consider high in contrast to the situation before the advent of app stores.


This is outrageously wrong. Back in 2011, the pricing model for "an app in your pocket" was 99 cents. The universal pricing model of apps was a one-time fee and the pricing range was that of an mp3 roughly. 30% of that is a lot. App sales worked only in volume.

If you sold software over the internet, you had PayPal, which had a flat fee of $0.35 + 1.7% or so and if your shareware was $30, the transaction fee essentially was ~$1. Stripe had roughly the same fee when they launched. You had more traditional credit card merchants and when I inquired one in Germany back in 2010, it was more or less in the same ballpark (~10%).

In Europe, you could also just get money wired, which cost you something like 0-10 cents.

30% for payment processing were always extremely high.

Edit: The only thing where you had no other options was when you tried to sell stuff on the internet for $1, because the flat fee part of credit card processors would eat up all of that. Apple indeed helped here a little bit, because it was always 30% and no fixed part.


I was thinking about something comparable, where there is a digital storefront, payment processing, security, delivering, installing on all my devices and so on...

Steam comes to mind. They take 30% (and I think 5% for credit card or whatever).

So I do not think that "outrageously wrong" is characterizing my remarks adequately.


Steam is fundamentally different in very important ways.

Your phone is general purpose, steam is focused on a narrow band of market

The iOS store adds nothing but cost to the purchasing process, with hilariously terrible discoverability and sorting, steam makes navigating and discoverability breezy and easy

Your phone is arguably not an optional part of your life, whereas nobody ever missed an important call because they weren't on steam

Steam does not take any money from apps or companies for transactions it was not involved in. Here, and in other cases, the costs of doing business with apple extend to people who have no relationship with apple at all


It's not a "processing fee". It's an distribution/access/market fee for the captive audience that Apple has spent tens of billions developing and supporting.

If you think you can make any money selling software on the internet and paying nothing other than $0.35 + 1.7%, think again.


Yeah I heard this before, but no, it is mostly a processing fee. The reality is:

- Developers helped to make Apple the platform it is today.

- Apple had their 30% fee when the App Store was MUCH smaller. It's not like that fee came only after they had the audience.

- Apple will do zero marketing for you unless you are already successful.

- Apple doesn't earn money with the most popular free apps, but still hosts them. They could charge by traffic, by downloads, whatever, but they won't.

- Apple will charge you if you make money in the app. They will force you to use their payment processor if you want to make money.

So, it is 100% a processing fee and everything else either came later or isn't congruent with what they actually charge money for.


Just as an aside, everything here is true of Android as well, and I think the cut was higher (or there were more intermediaries taking a bit as well): I priced an app $1.47 in 2010 so I'd get about $1 on every purchase.


True, the Google cut was also 30%, but they didn't make such a fuss about "no links to website" and stuff like that. They didn't even have a review process for a long time.


I think you could if apple didn’t force the App Store. Most people discover apps through other web sites, not through the App Store.


> you had PayPal, which had a flat fee of $0.35 + 1.7% or so

PayPal also offered a "micropayments" rate (that I used in Cydia), wherein they charged $0.05+5% (which is much better for payments under $12).


Processing fees were way less than 30% before the App Store. And considering how overrun the App Store now is with junk apps there is basically no service Apple provides other than taking money.


Is bluffing how you want to show up?


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