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I absolutely loved the fact thsr ifixit repeatedly gave a disclaimer that they had a business relationship with Lenovo - no snark intended.


This is a myth that needs to die.

The first iPhone had 128Mb of RAM and a 400Mhz processor and could barely run Safari. If you scrolled to fast you would get a checkerbox while Safari was trying to catch up.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1732478

If it couldn’t run Safari with decent performance, how was it going to run Safari + Flash?

In fact when Flash finally did come to Android in 2010, it required a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM and it barely ran then and killed the battery. An iPhone with those specs didn’t come out until 2011.

Another anecdote is that the Motorola Xoom was supposed to to be the “iPad killer” because it could show you the “real web” with Flash.

But it came out without Flash because Adobe was late. You couldn’t even see the Xoom home page on the Xoom when it was first introduced because it required Flash.


Thats not how OS RAM usage works. I can’t find one definitive source. But on no modern operating system can you just blindly look at RAM usage by the OS and subtract that from the amount of physical RAM and say that is what is available for applications.

Depends on which metric do you look, right? :)

Honestly, I don’t know which one to look at and was purposefully hand wavy. I just knew they were looking at the stone one…

This is 2026. iPhones use standard USB C headphones, you can charge your phone at the same time while using your wired headphones using MagSafe and you can even by low end $59 Beats Flex headphones that have all of the Apple magic.

I’m going to need HN geeks to get over analog headphones from the 60s


In my experience, USB-C ports are more fragile than 3.5mm audio jacks for repeated plugging in / unplugging cycles.

I've never had a USB-C port fail with many of them being plugged / unplugged multiple times a day for years. At most they fill with dust you have to fish out. Aux ports would often get in a state where you had to very carefully position the jack for it to work.

As soon as those headphones sound better than the analog alternatives, sure.

But they don't. And won't.


I am a huge 3.5mm jack defender and I am still upset at how Apple created a post-USB C world. But this is a common misconception.

USB C headphones and 3.5mm headphones (and Bluetooth, USB A, etc) are all equally as "analog" as one another (with the exception of someone with all-analog equipment, of course).

You need a DAC somewhere between the chip you're getting the digital signal from and the speakers that are playing an analog signal. And so the quality of that depends on (among other things) the quality of your DAC.

With USB or Bluetooth headphones, the DAC is somewhere in the headphone. With the 3.5mm jack, the DAC is behind jack. If you have a device with a crummy built-in DAC giving you a noisy signal, you'll be better off using a USB DAC.

I haven't used Apple's USB C earbuds, but Apple does make a $10 USB C to 3.5mm DAC that performs very very well for its price point.


The difference is you always can buy USB C headphones with a known good consistent DAC. A 3.5 inch headphone jack serves no purpose in the age of USB C - even my wife’s mixing board has USB C input that she can plug her iPhone into.

Next thing HN folks are going yo want the iPhone to come with a SCSI port.


I think that is silly, I haven't used an SCSI port since I was a tiny child but I use a 3.5mm almost every day of my life.

And technology moves on either way. There is not a single high end phone that still comes with a 3.5 inch headphone jack in 2026. The number of people who care in 2026 is probably less than the number of people who want to run Linux on their phone.

Yes, but that's different than what we're saying. I think many more people want and use 3.5mm jacks than they do SCSI ports. The 3.5mm jack is excellent. We're in a thread about a new device released with this wonderful port.

Also, many people want to run Linux on their phone. About 7 in 10 smart phones run Linux, and smart phones are devices billions of humans use every day.


We are in a thread on HN where you have people who complain about not having root access on your iPhone, want to run Linux on everything and bemoan the fact that most websites don’t work with JavaScript disabled.

This is as far from the mainstream as you can possibly get.

Come September it will have been a decade since Apple dropped the headphone port - the world has moved on


I would very much like root on my phone and most of the websites I use don't require JavaScript. Apple hasn't dropped the headphone port, they even announced a new product today called the Macbook Neo with one. There is even a thread on HN about it :)

You have a wee bit more space on a MacBook Neo than an iPhone.

Do an experiment. Jump in a pool with both your iPhone and your MacBook and see which one works when you get out.


Or I can just not do stupid shit and listen to hifi headphones released in the past 2-3 years, many of which have a 3.5mm jack (and adapters for larger, if plugging into dac/pre-amps).

Which you said aren't being made anymore. Which is factually untrue. The best bit is, they're still being made! And there's plenty of people who are still buying them!

Why? Because a $170 pair of closed-backs sounds infinitely better than the $550 Bose Quiet Comfort Ultra nonsense.

FiiO FT1 32Ω being a prime example, if you are looking for closed back suggestions :^)


?

Sennheiser HD 660S2

Audeze MM-100

Meze 109 Pro

Focal Hadenys

Focal Azurys

Sennheiser HD 505

HiFiMAN Arya Stealth

Audeze LCD-5


Why do they need to sound better? Also, in a lot of instances, they do sound better because they can offer powered functionality such as ANC. Can’t get that with a truly analog headphone. I’d never use analog headphones on a plane, for instance.

I can’t think of an instance where analog headphones would sound better than USB C headphones using the same hardware.

So USB headphones sound worse than analog ones? Does vinyl sound better to you to than CDs?

Low-end wired earbuds come in packages with dozens of units. I buy cheap earbuds because my kids love breaking them. Not everyone optimizes for the same thing. Analog remains the bees knees in certain settings.

Just a quick search on Amazon shows a two pack of USB C headphones for $10

Or 100 analog ones for $36.

So you are worried about saving money and consider $5 for a pair of headphones and you bought an iPhone????

No. Going back to what I initially responded to:

> I’m going to need HN geeks to get over analog headphones from the 60s

I am saying that not all adoration of the analog headphone jack is baseless. And we shouldn't universally move on.


That couldn’t be the reason. 90% of App Store revenue comes from in app purchases of consumables from games. This came out in the Epic trial.

The rest of the most use apps are front end for services where the app is free. There are very very few one time app purchases on iOS where pirating would make sense


Piracy is not the only risk when someone grabs your app binary, but also cracked versions with ads removed, or subscription checks disabled.

They can already grab your binary by using third party tools or by using the Apple Configurator from what I’m seeing.

TIL: iPhone backups on computers stopped including full ipa’s back in 2017…


They're encrypted using FairPlay, so you need either a jailbroken iPhone or a "jailbroken" (SIP bypass while SIP is enabled) Mac to decrypt them. The former will stop being possible soon enough, the latter will likely remain possible for quite some time.

Chromebooks are the SaaS of hardware where the user is not the buyer. No one says “I would love to have a Chromebook at home” any more than they desire to run Salesforce at home.

The low end iPad is $329 and usually found for $299

The same way that Apple can sell a low end iPad with cellular for $479 that has a larger screen and larger battery. If the iPhone wasn’t heavily subsidized and/or available on installment plans, Apple would have to lower prices.

On the other hand, the iPhone is water proof, made of sturdier materials to survive falls, has cellular, and the high end ones have more memory


The problem with competing against Chromebooks is that Chromebooks + GSuite and Google’s managed offerings for schools.

Chromebooks are much more secure for enterprise and education.

macOS is awful to manage on an enterprise and education level. This will always be Apple’s achilles heel in truly breaking into this market. Admins will push back.

Google has Security down to a science. ChromeOS has little to no malware. Google is constantly reporting malware and exploits to Apple so they can patch active vulns.


I’m not sure about that. Physical build quality on chromebooks is poor. My kids school switched off because the kids were always breaking them.

iPads a Macs stand up to much more abuse by students.

MacOS has very little malware even though users have more access to do things.

All google data is used to train AI and advertise. I’d like to not have that near my kids. Would rather have Apple’s “make money off hardware” from a data privacy standpoint.


I never talked about build quality. There are in fact nice quality ChromeOS devices, it’s just arguably never worth the added expense.

The argument with Chromebooks is you can usually buy 4 of them at the cost of a single Mac.

My point is device management and security. This is what enterprise and education cares about and scopes around.

macOS is not nearly as robust or secure to manage as ChromeOS, and Windows flys above both with almost every single feature being manageable at a domain level.

Also your AI point is moot. Enterprise and Education have much different terms than consumers.

You think Apple is letting Google, Slack, and Zoom use their internal company data for training?


My school, my college, and my current enterprise (Fortune 500, etc.) environment all manage it just fine.

At my last company the support staff for the Macs was one fifth the size of that supporting the PCs (almost the same quantities of Macs and PCs)

The counter however is that lots of schools are on 365, which doesn’t work so well on a Chromebook but works great on a mac.

its quite common for schools to issue windows laptops to staff (who use MS 365) and chromebooks to students (who use Google Classroom). The windows laptops also have no problem with google classroom of course.

Apple absolutely needs a management layer, both for school and for family. Apple family controls are sorely broken.

Our work macs are tied into microsoft’s intune thingy, pretty sure that’s enough for most orgs.

Not that i’m a fan of it, but meh it exists.


That’s not free. Apples Apple ID management is atrocious. How do you password reset an ID you own?

They need to move to having the students ID under both their parents and the school, detachable from the school when a kid moves.

The devices need to be enrolled to the org and then act as thin clients so any kid can log onto any laptop, not have the laptop locked down to a specific kid.

Apple Parental controls are either controllable on the kids device or one parents device but not both at the same time and definitely not two parents at the same time. Whose bright idea was it not to allow two parents to see and manage a kids settings from their own devices, at the same time. That’s a lot of the world that doesn’t appear to anticipate two parents wanting to manage a kid from separate accounts, but Apple should know better.


My kids' school uses iPads with GSuite. It seems like a common config.

With Creative Studio Apple could even displace GSuite at some point.


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