By that logic WhatsApp isn't free. I have to spend hundreds of dollars upfront t...

actsof · on Dec 28, 2019

>I have to spend hundreds of dollars upfront to buy a phone

But the phone doesn't have to be bought from Facebook, whereas with iMessage you have to pay Apple for a phone.

>maintain a phone line to use WhatsApp.

I wonder what the reason for this is. Maybe to reduce spam? Data collection?

_pd19 · on Dec 28, 2019

But I get to choose who to pay - and most people already have a phone.

maintaining a phone line doesn't cost hundreds of dollars a year

culturestate · on Dec 28, 2019

> ...WhatsApp isn't free. I have to spend hundreds of dollars upfront to buy a phone...

WhatsApp works reliably on a staggeringly broad list of devices. You can get a supported phone for, like, $20 and stick a $5-per-month prepaid SIM in it (many of these plans in low-income countries specifically come with WhatsApp allowances) and be connected.

ulfw · on Dec 28, 2019

Yea that’s not free

culturestate · on Dec 28, 2019

WhatsApp is as effectively free as it can be within the segment of the population that needs or wants it.

This is like arguing that free Wi-Fi isn't "free" because some people only use ethernet. If you don't already own a compatible device, you aren't their customer anyway.

Fnoord · on Dec 28, 2019

Then, following your logic, no software is free as in beer because you always need a computer to run it, and computer hardware isn't free...