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Is there still latency?

E.G. when I open GarageBand, and hit a piano key - is there still a bloody whole second delay before I hear it in my ‘AirPods Pro’ with a ‘custom’ W1 chip on a device supposedly made for creatives?

No, really. For creators, this might be the worst value proposition I’ve ever seen. $550 USD for headphones that can’t operate without latency.

If it wasn’t for the wheels or the stand on the Mac Pro, I would say this is the worst value proposition I’ve seen, period.

I’ve seen mock-ups of an iPhone 13 without a headphone jack. Will they just stop offering GarageBand, or any other music creation apps?

Apple’s hit a new low. For real.



I have no idea why people are downvoting you. I think these headphones look awesome but BT latency is beyond ridiculous - i can currently game on a server in 4K 60hz that's a about 600 miles away with 16ms of latency via WIFI from button press to "already decoded 4k video on my screen" on an old laptop (Shadow-PC, stadia like service).

That you can't get low bitrate audio decoded in less than 300ms less than a metre away is absolutely absurd above taken into consideration.


The people who are downvoting me have clearly never tried GarageBand on an iPhone with wireless headphones.

I'd be alright with 200ms. That they prioritized going wireless so, so intensely, and completely; fully ignored this issue is absolute tripe.

These are about as useful as those $900 Mac Pro wheels that have no lock and thusly are only even effective if you have a flat floor.

Similarly, these headphones only work if you want to listen to audio - for any creative use whatsoever any given pair of headphones is better.

I just don't get Apple anymore.


I totally agree that the pro headphone market, for actual content production ie. music, timed editing etc. needs to have below - i would say 20 ms.

Personally i think it's the BT standard though as i have been looking far and wide for actual good "live performance" headphones.

If anyone knows why Bluetooth is so horridly bad i'm all ears, my previous post taken into consideration where i can literally stream 10MBps video with 16ms latency including decoding over a normal WiFi router.


I don't think you are ever going to have zero-latency Bluetooth, whatever brand you buy. Just use a cable.


Sure. Oh, wait. I can't, not with these more than $500 headphones.

It's honestly just embarrassing.


3.5 mm stereo to lightning exists. you keep saying it can't have a physical connection, when it literally can


You can... you can plug a cable in. Same with the other competitors from Sony, Bose, etc.


>a ‘custom’ W1 chip on a device supposedly made for creatives?

According to Apple Bloggers creatives are a small market and really Apple is about serving the 99% not you and the Pro doesn't really mean for Professionals and all the other arguments that get wheeled out when this stuff starts to fall short.


>> the Pro doesn't really mean for Professionals

That is a problem. That it is continually brought up to the point that you're bringing it up in advance in attempt to dismiss it means it's so much of a problem that it shouldn't be dismissed.

The branding is just wrong. No, it's not an 'iPad Pro', if I can't run 'Logic Pro', Apple's own 'Pro' software on it. It's not a 'MacBook Pro', if it has the same goddamn SOC as the MacBook Air. (You can order an Air with the identical 8-core processor as the Pro)

A consumer could easily make the mistake of buying an iPad Pro, reasonably thinking it could run Logic Pro, only to find out that it can't.


If latency is a concern, you can actually switch to using these via a wired (non-Bluetooth) connection as well. There's bound to be some minimal latency due to the DSP, but an order of magnitude lower than via Bluetooth.


All Bluetooth headphones have some delays. If you want no delay, then you should really be looking at other options. But maybe the Apple ones have a larger delay.




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