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The Case Against Bitcoin (bariweiss.substack.com)
40 points by SirLJ on May 20, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 27 comments


>What happens, for example, when you lose your crypto-key?

Same that happens when you lose anything else of value- it's lost unless you can get it back. I don't need a central authority to decide that I might be able to get my money back without my password, because then someone else can do the same (via social engineering or otherwise, like internal saboteur)

>What if a 51% attack happens, in which 51% of the processing power in a blockchain network come under attack by a group with immense computing power?

An incredibly unlikely event, given the vast size of the network. Though it is a valid concern.

>This is to say nothing of the environmental aspect of Bitcoin mining, which uses more energy than entire nations.

Agree on this point, FWIW, though PoS aims to fix it (which sadly is moving pretty slowly)

>Or the fact that groups like the Al-Qassam Brigades are using cryptocurrency to finance their operations and solicit donations.

What about the fact that banks assist billions in tax fraud (and pocketed millions in bailouts)? The crypto can be blocked at exchanges in the future making people more wary about the issue.

I hope I don't come across as a crypto shill as I own no crypto, but the author argues against crypto as a whole (instead of, say, crypto evangelists).


>>Agree on this point, FWIW, though PoW aims to fix it (which sadly is moving pretty slowly)

I think you mean PoS (proof of stake), and yes it will be several months before eth2 w/ PoS is a thing. It actually introduces other issues around centralization, but uses a lot less energy.


> I think you mean PoS (proof of stake), and yes it will be several months before eth2 w/ PoS is a thing

Thanks, fixed the typo. If ETH2 is really months away I would be jumping for joy but it has been a "few years away" for a few years in a row now. I hope they are finishing up (and I don't mean to imply it should be faster or that they should rush)


The race between ETH2 PoS and Cardano smart contracts (which is already PoS with fully decentralized block production) is going to be very interesting! I think both platforms could have their place and be extremely successfully, but whichever delivers first will get a nice bump for sure


Eth as a whole has already gotten an impressive bump (in price) this year so far. They seem to be in a good place with a lot of adoption in their PoS infrastructure. At 93kUSD (as of today) of eth staking to run your own staking node, I think it's cost prohibitive for most to do it without joining a pool.


I think ETH2 has around $13.5b currently staked, while ADA has around $43b currently staked (1). ETH2 is nothing to scoff at, but ADA is miles ahead on adoption of PoS. ADA also doesn't have any minimum requirement to run a pool, which is pretty neat. From a price perspective, ADA has outperformed ETH all year as well (2). ETH does have a massive first mover advantage, which can't be understated. If they pull off Eth2 migration successfully and in a timely manner (before Cardano smart contracts) I imagine all those metrics will tighten significantly and/or flip

(1) https://www.stakingrewards.com/ (2) https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/cardano/eth


Thanks man, this is interesting and good information. I'll look into it!


There's plans to lower the collateral requirements


>>> Money exists for one purpose: to cancel debt.

This could be tautological, if "debt" is defined as fulfilling any agreed upon transaction. Money is a technology. A money system can serve multiple purposes: Such as a medium of exchange, a temporary store of value, and an instrument of government economic policy. (For example). I suspect that the majority of us, who are clueless about the actual mechanics of it, use the US money system for those purposes.

Money that does not serve those purposes, could have different uses. And like a technology, a money system "works" to the extent that it is useful to the people who want to use it. Even within the world of fiat government money, people in many countries will use their local currency as a medium of exchange, but store their wealth in assets that are valued in the currency of another country such as the US or Europe.

In my view a feature of Bitcoin is that it explores the possible uses of a money system that is not expressly designed to serve any specific purpose. It's like a microprocessor: A collection of hardware and software facilities that takes on the purpose that you assign when you choose how to use it.

Alluded to by the article, and not outside the bounds of possibility, is that a government could manipulate Bitcoin, making it into a tool of economic policy. But I imagine it would be a weak tool.


It's interesting that both sides of this debate are trying to claim the same argument: skepticism of human judgement and foresight:

> Munger, in contrast, is expressing contrasting beliefs about human nature and about the nature of politics and markets. Namely, that our inevitable flaws, including our lack of perfect foresight, require guardrails to reduce the risk of unintended consequences, like, for example, speculation in “low-risk” mortgages that drove a global financial crisis. Without borders, languages, culture and, yes, fiat currency, our civilization can be easily placed at risk.

The pro-bitcoin crowd is making a similar argument. Their position is that, since we lack perfect foresight, the government can't be trusted to implement monetary policy. Eventually, they say, the government will screw things up and undo all the good that monetary policy has done over the past few decades.

Who's right? It depends what happens.

One point that never seems to come up in these debates: bitcoin can (and does) coexist alongside fiat currencies. It is clear that fiat isn't going anywhere, it is clear that bitcoin is not a totally suitable currency for reasons listed in the essay, but I don't see bitcoin's existence as a bad thing and I expect various cryptocurrencies will continue to exist alongside fiat currencies.


We don't need Bari Weiss lecturing us about anything, especially crypto currency. I have more faith in random screenshots on twitter. https://twitter.com/therealmrcrypto/status/13950647732309237... I'm buying more crypto, but not BTC because it's too expensive to transfer and it takes too long.


The author is Michael Green.


Perhaps this is a naive way of looking at it, but from someone who just barely grasps Bitcoin, it seems like a place for rich people to park money.


Yesterday Bitcoin demonstrated that it is a poor parking space. You could wake up and find 30% of your car missing.


I think the insinuation with "parking space", in regards to money at least, is that it's long term. Even with this week, BTC has been an incredibly profitable place to park money this year, and every year before that. There is not a single person on the planet that has lost money by parking their money on Bitcoin. The only people that have lost have sold.


There is not a single person on the planet that has lost money by parking their money on Bitcoin. The only people that have lost have sold.

Well, you don't have money to park it indefinitely, at some point you want to spend it, otherwise you could just set it on fire and not worry about parking it somewhere to begin with. So the selling part is non-optional.


> at some point you want to spend it

> the selling part is non-optional

That is not true.

Bitcoin is best thought of as a block of real-estate on a virtual Manhattan. Some of the wealthiest families in (IRL) Manhattan are wealthy because they've owned a block of land on Manhattan for generations and have never sold. They borrow against their asset to live and the asset keeps appreciating. Bitcoin will be, and already is, no different. There are people that do this exact thing with Bitcoin.


This is an incredibly short-sighted view.


Long-term view, due to it's volatility and the regulatory and political environments, while it may be an excellent speculative investment, Bitcoin is a poor place to store wealth.


So far, your thesis has been completely wrong.



lmao, it's all good, man. I'll keep looking at my ROI and you can keep yelling at clouds. Enjoy!


Why just rich people?


This post compares bitcoin to fiat. But to an idealised version of fiat.

Sure, Bitcoin is not perfect, but please don't look at the current monetary system as some kind of pristine, god-created scheme.

Inflation, the banking system, counterfeit money... our monetary system is far, far from ideal.

Also, is Bitcoin overvalued? Maybe. What about the stock market, real estate, gold?

The case against Bitcoin has its merit, but it's mostly a list of one-sided arguments that basically ignore the real actual world that we live in, and its flaws.


Oh no! These are all brand new arguments! I guess it's time to sell, huh?


Time to sell was last week :)


Of course, the old adage "buy high, sell low" :)




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