Your attitude toward the topic is fairly typical, and pretty harmful. "Diets fail because people fail" is true, of course - my point is that people "failing" is not always (or even usually) a result of intrinsic weakness of willpower, but a result of substantial variation in the real world experience of maintaining a calorie-restricted diet.
As a thought experiment, imagine if, for every 100 calories of deficit in their daily consumption, a random tenth of the population felt substantial and increasing physical pain. Would you describe their inability to consistently lose weight as a 'failure' on their part? As essentially due to a lack of sufficient discipline? What if it were nausea? Exhaustion?
Now picture a world in which that is the actual norm, and those people are subjected to frequent ridicule for their lack of willpower and bombarded with the message that they are inferior because of it. If they'd just man up and stomach the pain for the rest of their lives, they'd have no trouble losing weight, it's simple physics.
This isn't an accurate representation of reality of course. I don't feel physical pain when I run a hundred calorie deficit, I just feel tired most of the time, and I lose the energy to enjoy physical pursuits. I'm confident that if I applied enough effort (again), I'd lose some weight (again), and keep it off for as long as I continued spending that effort. Again.
> Asserting that .. tracking your caloric intake and energy expenditure versus the number on the scale is inherently flawed is dangerous, misleading, and probably false.
That's not what I'm asserting. And I think that's been pretty clear, really! There are millions of fat people who are actively trying to be thinner in various ways and repeatedly "failing". Do you really think that telling all of those people to "just try harder" is a useful thing to do?
I don't personally expect drugs to be the answer to the problem, and I don't have any opinion on the "Fella" business model or likely effectiveness. My position this whole time has just been that fat people are mostly not fat because they don't understand that restricting calories will make them thinner. Understanding the actual reasons is important, and it's far more difficult to do when any real conversation on the topic is inundated with comments to the effect of "have you tried not eating as much? It's really easy, just eat less."
> Diets don't fail because they're inherently flawed and the system is more complex than we think it is. Diets fail because people fail.
The system includes the people. If the people "fail", that is relevant information, and should be used to evaluate the 'effectiveness' of the approach. The system is extremely complex, including as it does all of human psychology and physicality, and yet every one of these discussions is dogged by people like you, that think that the problem is just that people don't try hard enough.
Well sure they don't, that's also the reason they can't all bench 400 pounds - "hard enough" is the critical phrase here, and your language and attitude place all of the blame on the individual. It's a lot like explaining that depressed people are responsible for their own emotional state, and should just start exercising and cheer up - it's factually true, and yet also unhelpful, counterproductive, and insulting.
As a thought experiment, imagine if, for every 100 calories of deficit in their daily consumption, a random tenth of the population felt substantial and increasing physical pain. Would you describe their inability to consistently lose weight as a 'failure' on their part? As essentially due to a lack of sufficient discipline? What if it were nausea? Exhaustion?
Now picture a world in which that is the actual norm, and those people are subjected to frequent ridicule for their lack of willpower and bombarded with the message that they are inferior because of it. If they'd just man up and stomach the pain for the rest of their lives, they'd have no trouble losing weight, it's simple physics.
This isn't an accurate representation of reality of course. I don't feel physical pain when I run a hundred calorie deficit, I just feel tired most of the time, and I lose the energy to enjoy physical pursuits. I'm confident that if I applied enough effort (again), I'd lose some weight (again), and keep it off for as long as I continued spending that effort. Again.
> Asserting that .. tracking your caloric intake and energy expenditure versus the number on the scale is inherently flawed is dangerous, misleading, and probably false.
That's not what I'm asserting. And I think that's been pretty clear, really! There are millions of fat people who are actively trying to be thinner in various ways and repeatedly "failing". Do you really think that telling all of those people to "just try harder" is a useful thing to do?
I don't personally expect drugs to be the answer to the problem, and I don't have any opinion on the "Fella" business model or likely effectiveness. My position this whole time has just been that fat people are mostly not fat because they don't understand that restricting calories will make them thinner. Understanding the actual reasons is important, and it's far more difficult to do when any real conversation on the topic is inundated with comments to the effect of "have you tried not eating as much? It's really easy, just eat less."