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Just know that we see you. We understand that this is your mentality. That's why we don't promote you, that's why we don't hire you, etc.

Saying yes to everything some random PM wants from you is of course not the way. But neither is "lying flat". Hard work is in many ways its own reward.

After decades in the industry, those that have put in the time and effort far outshine their coasting peers. There are benefits for your career should you choose to put in the effort and ascend.



This doesn’t mean no effort. This means putting effort into saying no.

There’s a difference, and school (and parents) don’t teach us the distinction.


Saying no is easy once you get passed the initial mental block. Let's not pretend otherwise.

It's certainly easier than doing the work. That's the entire premise of your argument.


It’s not so easy. I thought it was.

Many people — perhaps most — are inclined to be afraid of saying no.

You also can’t say no to homework assignments. So we learn the behavior early in life.


Superiority complex, much?

I share OP's sentiment, and I can flat out say that I am truly fine that "[you] see [me]". The thing is, I don't want to work with you or for you, or for people who don't want to hire me. Jobs are a two-way street and I'm going to pick a place to work for that's a good fit for me time after time. And you know what? I've always busted my ass and I continue to be hired, given raises, etc. - but I will always push back for my own sanity whenever I feel necessary.

>Hard work is in many ways its own reward.

There's a difference between "hard work" and "too much work", and the latter looks different to each and every one of us.

>After decades in the industry, those that have put in the time and effort far outshine their coasting peers. There are benefits for your career should you choose to put in the effort and ascend.

There sure are! And just as there are people like you who want to continue that career ascent, there are those of us who are also completely content with prioritizing other things in our lives beyond our careers, while still putting in a solid day's work every day. I don't care if people outshine me and ascend faster than I do - for me, my career is just something that allows me to provide for my family and my hobbies, but it will never be "who I am". And you know what? I'm happy with my choices and where I'm at. Go on, buddy, and get that promotion! I'll still be over here doing my thing at my pace, not bothered by the fact that I might be standing in your dust.

You would really do well to understand that everyone wants something different out of life and are content to take the paths they want, even if they're not yours. :)


Maybe people who put in a ton of work get ahead. That's a big maybe. Sometimes people get ahead because they had the good fortune to be tapped for the big project. Sometimes they were in the right meeting and got tapped by the boss because they were in the room. Sometimes people get ahead because they're better at talking than doing.

But maybe you work hard, do more. What's the financial return on that, for a typical employee over your hypothetical "coasting employee"? 50%? 20%? Less?

Is it worth it? The stress, the extra hours, the opportunity costs?




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