In this case $X is a hastily modified car, which should do 30 KM/H going 100 KM/H, on a 70 KM/H road, driven by a 15 year old, without a driver's license.

This a bit more nuanced than just "annoying".

Yes but the law already covers this case. so why call for a ban when the law must just be enforced?

Banning doesn't always means "changing the law so that it's outright impossible". Increasing enforcement, and making bending the law impractical is also a form of banning.

In Netherlands, there are scooters allowed to go in bike lanes, and their top speed is limited to 40 KM/H. Some people circumvent this by installing aftermarket clutch sets.

Police have portable dynos which fit into their trunks, and if they find that your scooter can go faster, the fine you and require you to un-modify your scooter and verify it with the police.

This enforcement is strict and is an effective way of "banning" circumvented scooters. I also think the same thing: Increase enforcement, make it impractical to have fast (EP)A-Tractors.

A) But they are required to have a tractor license.

B) Where do you get "hastily" from? News to me, and I'm from EPA country.

Your "nuance" is conspicuous mostly for its absence.

I might even describe it as less nuanced.

The point isn't just that it's annoying, it's that it's dangerous. That's pretty obvious from their comment:

> Personally I hope they get banned, because I am pretty tired of being passed on my morning commute by often multiple (EP)A-traktors going 100km/h on a 70 km/h road, driven by someone without a driver's licence.

Does that sound at all safe to you? Why should someone have the freedom to endanger others on public roads?

They don’t have that freedom. They have to have a max speed of 20 mph.

Maybe they don’t on paper, but it sounds like they do in practice.

Then enforcement of the laws seems to be a better action than banning things outright.

The banning of a thing is/would be a law.

I prefer enforcing the existing laws where it makes sense. We already have way too many laws. Time to abolish many

Do you seriously think it is okay for people without a drivers license to speed on public roads?

What other things are unfathomable to you? Stopping at a red light?

Exactly as ok as people with drivers licenses to speed on public roads.

> Do you seriously think it is okay for people without a drivers license to speed on public roads?

Yes.

> Stopping at a red light?

There are plenty of countries with heavy traffic and a culture of ignoring any traffic lights that exist, and it works just fine.

> a culture of ignoring any traffic lights that exist, and it works just fine.

Does it?

How do their rates of car crashes compare to countries where people stop at red lights? How does the throughput of their urban roads compare?

Would you say there are any laws that are not okay to break?

Felony type criminal laws.

I am likewise often disturbed by kneejerk authoritarian responses especially how they have increased in my lifetime, but not as much when it comes to bad unlicensed drivers, driving is dangerous and not given nearly enough respect and I’m fine with reasonable restrictions on it.

It has nothing to do with it being "annoying" and therefore they want it banned. That's a stupid strawman, as someone that has been here that long you should know better than to discuss like that.

The point is that it's dangerous, potentially lethal, for them and others. That's why they want a ban. Not because of some authoritarian reflex..

I interpreted his statement as "$X is behavior that endangers me with no accountability mechanism."

His argument was: "$x kills people... and annoys me... We should ban it."

Settle down, Ayn Rand. The law in obviously not working as intended due to change of the times (originally it was meant to make it easier for farmers to have an extra vehicle, not for inner city teenagers to cruise around). A revisiting and adjustment is in order.