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I'm pro vaccine but the mandates and access cards and testing requirements makes me sick to my stomach


I had to sign a letter with my employer stating that I accepted I could be terminated should I not be fully vaccinated by Dec 31, 2021. I feel a line has been crossed, and I fully support the idea that the mandate is bad. Vaccines are great, I voluntarily got it anyway, but I don't feel it's ok to say you deserve to be fired or worse (and I've heard much worse) if you decide the vaccine is not for you. I support the protest. It is not an anti-vax protest. I do not beleive it is about racisim or white supremacy despite what our prime minister says or thinks.


in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication. This non-negotiable law is in place exactly because of past generations battle over forced medications.


I don't think that's comparable at all. If you don't want to get vaccinated but your employer has a mandate, you can quit.

Similarly, your employer can fire you if there is no reasonable accommodation for your medical condition that you are willing to accept. If, for example, you have a treatable form of schizophrenia but refuse all medication, you can get fired if that condition renders you unable to perform your job duties.

You can get committed to an institution, or your employer can be forced to reinstate you, but absent such an order from the legal system, you are free to refuse treatment, and your employer is free to let you go.


>I don't think that's comparable at all. If you don't want to get vaccinated but your employer has a mandate, you can quit.

You can't quit the game. I assure you. Might as well make the stand here and now, because in the end, it will find it's way back to you. People problems always do.


>in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication

even if involuntarily committed to a mental institution?


There are definitely constitutional boundaries. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson

Most states define laws of their own around this, and usually a longer involuntary stay requires a court hearing. But I wouldn’t be surprised if even those are operating in a legal gray area that would get shot down upon a SCOTUS hearing. More realistically, the Supreme Court wouldn’t hear these cases due to higher priorities, but I think the “right to liberty” has only very few exceptions.


They absolutely do medicate people against their will all the time. Google "booty juice".


Same, I'm vaccinated but I recently resigned from my company because they had a vaccine mandate (no testing option) because they're a federal contractor. Now I'm working for a company that has a testing option but I choose to upload vaccine card instead. My personal choice. The company I resigned from dropped the mandate after it was stopped by the courts but the damage had already been done.




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