Boston, MA -> Philadelphia, PA (511km):
By car: 5h15
By Amtrak (this Monday): $311 for business on Acela, 4h54
By Amtrak (next Monday): $119 for coach on NR, 5h50
Munich Hbf -> Berlin Hbf (582km):
By car: 5h23
By DB (this Monday): 195eur for 1st class on ICE, 4h34
By DB (next Monday): 68eur for 2nd class on ICE Sprinter, 3h57 OR 48eur for 2nd class on ICE, 4h34
And Munich - Berlin is one of the worst DB connections. And DB is one of the most expensive systems in Europe.
Must have changed since I last looked into this. I remember that German trains used to be about as expensive as driving. I guess I need to update my knowledge: if you book in advance, German intercity trains are pretty cost competitive with single occupancy vehicles. Sadly, this means that if I lived in Germany, it would be much cheaper for my family to drive everywhere.
FWIW, the travel times you post are not instructive, because you are not going to drive from Hbf to Hbf. Getting to the station, waiting for a train, and getting from the station to the final destination will increase travel length substantially. At the same time, not having to drive into city center (where Hbfs are) will decrease drive times.
Should make you wonder how much other outdated/incorrect information you unknowingly spread in the same fashion.
> Sadly, this means that if I lived in Germany, it would be much cheaper for my family to drive everywhere.
Only if you don’t factor in massive discounts for children (who ride for free until they’re 15) or even small groups of people. Eg. the Bayern-Ticket - can’t really beat a day trip to an alpine lake town for 32eur total (for a couple with young children, and no need to book in advance).
Oh, And don’t forget about that 25% Bahncard discount that pretty much pays for itself after taking two train trips in a year.
> FWIW, the travel times you post are not instructive, because you are not going to drive from Hbf to Hbf.
Ending up in the centre next to a main station is actually one of the biggest benefits over flying or driving in my experience. Maybe it’s just the way I plan my trips, but I almost always end up wanting to be in the centre of wherever I’m going to, anyway.
Total cost of ownership of a car will likely be higher (especially if it’s a nicer car, and you use it in places where you need to pay for parking), but public transit and cars are not exactly equivalent products.
Public transit can be very cheap and convenient for some use cases: for example, if you live close to a stop, your destination is close to a stop, there is straight transit line between the two places, it runs frequently and has few stops on the way, and you usually travel by yourself. If all of the above is satisfied, it will likely to be more cost effective and similarly convenient to use public transit. However, for many other standard use cases, public transit is by nature very inconvenient compared to cars: for example, if you visit grandma with your small kids on a regular basis, grandma lives in a small town, getting to which on public transit from your home requires 2 transfers, and is only reasonably possible twice a day at very particular times. In that scenario, which, by the way, is (in some form) extremely common for most people who aren’t single professionals living in big city, public transit is just a non starter, even in Germany.
Since the latter scenario is, as I point out, rather common, most people own a car anyway. At that point, you’re already paying the total cost of ownership just to use it on routes where public transit is extremely inconvenient. This changes your calculation on routes where public transit actually is pretty convenient: sure, public transit on that route might win with total cost ownership of the car, but once you already have a car, fixed costs are already sunk, so public transit is now competing with marginal costs, and it might very well then lose.
For this reason, even in countries with good public transit, it is largely a domain of students, young singles, and retirees, and working people with families overwhelmingly own and use cars.
