The thing I hate more than anything else about technology is when people make things that are intentionally shitty, for no other reason than they want it to be shitty.
"Hello billion dollar company, I would like a way to install and uninstall my software in your operating system."
"No."
"Wh.... huh? Please?"
"Pay us money and go through our app store."
"Um....why? No? Please? Can't you just let me make software and give it to users, without going through you?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"We don't like it when you do that."
"So?"
"So you only get to do what we say, how we say."
"Why?"
"It makes us happy."
"And what about the users' happiness?"
*laughs in dollar bills*
Prior to the MAS it was well understood that moving an app to the trash was roughly equivalent to “uninstall”. With the introduction of MAS, no one actually looked for this X button. Exactly zero billions were made safeguarding it. If it’s so trivial to make appear, it’s because it’s a convenience specifically afforded to people who use Launchpad.
I can’t think of a use case where one installs apps and runs them from websites but wants to uninstall them from the modern equivalent of At Ease.
you know, when you and the throwaway account at the top of this thread talk in the ways you have here, you make it extremely easy to simply dismiss your opinions as those of a crazy crackpot.
challenging opinions and "randomly" putting things in quotes to make them appear "fabricated" are not how you win people to your side, or even trigger them to pause and think for a moment. this is how you encourage others to develop a strong aversion to anyone talking like you or anyone having the opinion you have.
with the most positive and pure tone possible: be constructive or be quiet; you're severely hurting your own cause.
Conversely, citing the benefits of a broken system does not justify it's existence. Thousands of good things happen in broken systems, but that doesn't justify their failure points.
If Apple had effective processes that allowed for constructive solutions to this problem, we wouldn't be here today. Instead, we see Apple fighting regulators in Dutch court, ducking regulatory fines and funneling developers into a ancillary profit-driven toolchain. It's not just crazy crackpot opinions, it's a profit motivator and something Apple is clearly self-conscious about.
> citing the benefits of a broken system does not justify it's existence.
citing the flaws of a working system does not justify its destruction, either.
I'm not saying anything about Apple or its actions, either way. I am only saying that the tone and language used in the two posts I referred to will drive people away from understanding what is being said and why it is important.
It isn’t broken. The fact is that you and the other posters simply don’t like or even don’t grok it. So you climb your ivory tower to declare that emperor is not wearing any clothes. It’s trite, and it’s boring and it’s lowering the quality of discourse.
The broken system is not the uninstall process, it's the rift between Apple's services (the App Store) and MacOS as a development target. It extends to the iPhone, and it's such a restrictive and arbitrary process that Apple is being forced to reconsider it in Europe. You cannot sustain a system where you neglect OS-level features like software management to prop-up your SaaS distribution service.
Pragmatic interpretation of the issue at hand doesn't lower the quality of discourse at all. We only veer off into ivory tower territory when people claim that other people's experiences are illegitimate, and then deny the problem because they're not personally impacted.
You’d have a point if the status quo had changed since the introduction of the MAS, but it hasn’t. As explained in other threads, in order to offer the same functionality, Apple would need to implement tighter controls, similar to those found in iOS; you yourself have complained about these restrictions, and we'd hear the same trite iOSification nonsense, or someone blathering about user freedom, when what they really mean is freedom for developers to fuck with other peoples machines. So this appears to be yet another shitty stick with which to beat Apple, especially given that it is really no better anywhere else on the desktop.
