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This reads as though these are already deployed. If that is so, why have we not seen them being used in Ukraine? Surely the ground based, city defenses lasers he mentioned would be invaluable there?


As far as I know none of them have been deployed to Ukraine. They probably require specialized personnel to run so even if they did want to send them there the Ukraine government would have to send specialists off to training first. Plus, it seems like the Patriots are working better than expected, even shooting down "hypersonic" missiles, much to the embarrassment of the Russian military.

I think this article has somewhat fallen into the imagined capabilities trap that US arms manufacturers were constantly in during the Cold War. They would see Soviet propaganda about their new invincible weapons system and do some math on what it would take to make it work and then try to design systems to counter that paper exercise. Then they get a sample of the real thing and it turns out the Soviets were outright lying about the capabilities and the counter they developed is ridiculous overkill.


https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzha...

Ukraine downs Russian hypersonic missile with US Patriot


And those "downed" missiles somehow cause a "minor" damage to the Patriot battery doing it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36057675#36065364


> those "downed" missiles somehow cause a "minor" damage to the Patriot battery doing it

Thirty missiles were fired, twenty nine intercepted [1]. Sustaining minor, i.e. quickly repaired, damage after a 97% interception rate against a supposedly technologically advanced adversary is pretty damn good.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/falling-debris-causes-fires-tw....


For some reason, you forget the usual disclaimer "Ukraine says" and instead state it as a fact. It's hard to take them at face value similarly to their Russian counterparts. Also the "minor" claim is also maid by an interested party. If it was just a paint job, I think they would've preferred to simply stay silent on the matter. With available objective data we know that two explosions have happened on the ground level and that 2 launched Patriot missiles have failed, which is a fairly high value.


> you forget the usual disclaimer "Ukraine says" and instead state it as a fact

It’s been corroborated by the U.S. and allies [1]. The Kremlin hasn’t disputed the charge.

(The U.S. also said a PATRIOT battery was damaged while Kyiv claimed no such thing. As others have speculated, this was probably a radar unit that was targeted and damaged.)

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/patriot-kill-shot-impressive...


> we know that two explosions have happened on the ground level

Site a source for that please.

Do you think that when you "down" a hypersonic missile the debris fall harmlessly to the ground or do they continue moving?


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At this distance I can't even tell that they're explosions, let alone Patriot batteries (there weren't only Patriot systems here). I'm sorry but that is not objective proof of anything.


>At this distance I can't even tell that they're explosions

Sure, it could've been swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket, which has reflected the light from Venus.


Or perhaps the corroberated evidence is valid and you're simply wasting people's time with unqualified and unbased doubts.


If the battery was knocked out, why did not Russia follow up with more Kinzhals to build on that success asap?


30 of various missiles were sent. 30 were taken out. The debris of one (still following its trajectory) hit a Patriot radar - it was repaired in <24hr. Seems pretty straightforward.


We're giving Ukraine the old stuff. You keep the new stuff for yourself, if the old stuff turns out to not be good enough.


You forgot the step where you use what you learned from the old stuff failing to develop even newer stuff, then hopefully you can give away the new old stuff and start the cycle again.


Because Russia is not firing ICBMs with megaton warheads at Kyiv yet.


Well you wouldn't want to wait until that moment though, to deploy them.




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