> is to allow the free market to utilize the capital that would have gone to fees to further advance our understanding and capabilities
What was stopping the 'free market' from utilizing that capital to further advance our understanding and capabilities? Before 'onerous fees', how many large-scale polluters were taking some of their profits and investing in researching how to reduce CO2?
>Before 'onerous fees', how many large-scale polluters were taking some of their profits and investing in researching how to reduce CO2?
Here is one example:
>Patent records reveal oil companies actively pursued research into technologies to cut carbon dioxide emissions that cause climate change from the 1960s – including early versions of the batteries now deployed to power electric cars such as the Tesla.
And ExxonMobil funded a disinformation campaigned aimed at discrediting scientists and blocking government efforts to fight climate change for more than 50 years, before publicly disavowing climate denial in 2008.
Another quote that ages well:
We in the petroleum industry are convinced that by the time a practical electric car can be mass produced and marketed, it will not enjoy any meaningful advantage from an air pollution standpoint,” he told Congress. “Emissions from internal-combustion engines will have long since been controlled.”
I don’t think that we should trust companies to act against their best interest just because “capitalism” is a magic word.
Why didn’t they spend more profits on research? Why did they lobby against pollution reduction if they’re so advanced? Why did they invent emission reduction technology in 1960, but in 2023 we have a massive pollution problem? The last 60 years could be a thesis to prove your entire premise as flawed. This is proof that they can’t be trusted with their profits, nor their research results.
Are we talking about pollution or CO2? Pollution from vehicles is largely controlled. It is not perfect by any means. CO2 is not pollution. It is a necessary component of plant growth and animal life.
> Why did they lobby against pollution reduction
For the same reasons I mentioned previously. Arbitrary fees and regulations can stifle the natural advancement. The patent in this case shows that they were working on reducing CO2 emissions which would benefit them in the long run as ICE engines would be cleaner. As such, they would be better competition to future electric competitors. Hence, more oil being purchased for their bottom line.
If they spend money and time lobbying and paying fees, that is money that is not spent on productive activities. Furthermore, it costs consumers more to purchase their product. This cost to consumers restricts their ability to invest in themselves and their future. Little Johnny wants to go to school to study clean nuclear fusion? Too bad, Ma & Pa have been paying more for goods and services for 18 years. Little Johnny will have to flip burgers instead.
C02 isn't a pollutant insofar as any amount being a pure negative but too much of it is obviously negative. This is a distinction that nobody including the parent poster or you are confused about.
The free market might over time get us cleaner engines when interests align but in all honestly the biggest factor driving cleaner engines has always been regulation and the next logical step for that regulation is to move towards forbidding the manufacture of new gas powered consumer vehicles which we can likely accomplish by the 2030s with regulation.
If too much money is spent lobbying we could very well make the productive part of that equation where money changes hands illegal, watch it become vastly less effective, and watch companies investment in same spin down quickly.
>The free market might over time get us cleaner engines when interests align but in all honestly the biggest factor driving cleaner engines has always been regulation...
One scientist learned that smog was a result of automobile emissions as early as 1948 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arie_Jan_Haagen-Smit). That was 56 years after automobiles were first produced. Shortly thereafter, the Federal government started tackling the issue in 1955 (https://www.epa.gov/clean-air-act-overview/evolution-clean-a...). Why would companies invest in cleaner emissions if the government was going to make mandates that would throw a wrench in their investments? It has been better for them to wait and see what they have to do. They were never given the chance to self regulate.
Fortunately all of history exists and we can look at the fact that where regulation wasn't imposed and see that the majority who were most willing to foist high external costs on society were able to out compete any minority that behaved more admirably and most markets tend to end up dominated by a few players nearly exclusively from the less ethical fellows as even a small initial advantage is magnified because higher profits in one cycle provide a successively higher advantage in future cycles. Economists have been explaining why this is for literally centuries. Markets don't handle externalities without external regulation. Despite centuries of examples we still have folks asking for "self regulation" which we know doesn't work.
Companies have and will kill thousands of people to have slightly more money.
> One scientist learned that smog was a result of automobile emissions as early as 1948 .... That was 56 years after automobiles were first produced. Shortly thereafter ... in 1955 .... They were never given the chance to self regulate.
and... the cynic in me thinks that the purpose of that research would be to lock it up and prevent anyone from using it, vs actually deploying it and reducing emissions.
What was stopping the 'free market' from utilizing that capital to further advance our understanding and capabilities? Before 'onerous fees', how many large-scale polluters were taking some of their profits and investing in researching how to reduce CO2?