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>I genuinely wonder what the Mozilla leadership think when they see threads like this. Do they just not see them and float above the real world in some bubble

I would have spotted a literal bubble when I was an intern in the SF office, but they definitely didn't mix with us.

I interned in ~2013. I had a boss who took everyone but me out to lunch, forever aggreived I'd gotten an offer prior to Eich being forced out. Despite designing my own research project on short notice that got a lot of good feedback, I was neither hired on nor pointed somewhere in the valley to work...

Meanwhile, I got the impression that my advice to the engineers to abandon "VR" (which danah boyd had pointed out can't even be used by everyone) and the weird firefox os crap to focus on getting ram usage down and browsershare up to build up a war chest, to partner with other search engines than google and to ban said googlers from our events since they kept poaching people...

But I was not heeded, and Firefox instead introduced pocket and did a bunch of other stupid stuff...

Nevertheless, I keep using it, because I love the extension system and the community around it but that summer broke the heart of the abused pre-teen who discovered the web and themselves via it.

The old Firefox, a lean extensible open source browser... is alive if you throw some switches and are selective in your extensions... but they messed up very badly that summer after Snowden and never recovered.



> the weird firefox os crap

I really liked Firefox OS, was an early adopter using one of the ZTE Phones, tried my best to acquire an Fx0 while I was in Japan but they wouldn't sell me one without a phone contract, I also crowdfunded the matchstick that never came to be.

I'm not sure what KaiOS is doing with it now, they're not very transparent.


i'd have rather ppl creates some fork of android sans google trackers.

one issue with open source phones is the divergence of talent means more unpatched vulns, imho.

i don't have the money to experiment like i used to, so i don't like to comment on these matters -- i suspect kai, like many other projects, may struggle financially and go dark in ways that make ppl more paranoid than they should be rather than anything truly nefarious.

if they'd done proper user research they'd have found lots of people wanna just do navigation and calls on the phone then hotspot to a laptop... but instead the os got bloated (imho)




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