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When times are tough our fantasies become more vivid. They are a tool to help us analyse our difficulties from a novel perspective and thus to overcome them.


I would have said the same but it strikes me that, in these highly stressful times, people are less interested in fantasy and art.

That said, I agree about their value. The Lord of the Rings, written in a similar time, with fascism on the march behind a tide of propaganda and the resulting chaos and despair, is to me now uncovered as a gift from Tolkien for the future crisis. It is the perfect book, the perfect myth, for today. (Not the movies, the book.)


You couldn't have said it better. Today it's, "think like I do or screw you!" Seeking middle ground or simply moving on is a lost art.


It’s funny you say that considering LOTR is one of the most black/white good/bad stories I can think of.


That isn't in the books, the way I read them (I don't recall the movies):

Sauron is obviously pretty clear (but I think even Sauron is a fallen angel of sorts?), but the rest of the story is about how everyone can be corrupted by power and defeated by despair. Even Gandalf, another 'angel' of sorts, could be corrupted. Sauruman, another being like Gandalf and the latter's superior, was corrupted.

In the end, the difference between the heroes and villians is whether they are wise enough to avoid exposing themselves to the corruption of power, and some cross that line. Finally, the ring is destroyed by someone who was thoroughly corrupted but, kept away from power and treated with love and mercy, was able to heal somewhat for a time.


How does that relate to the GP?


Delusions as described in the post are a form of fantasy. I'm not talking about the much more narrow sense of stories involving orcs and elves.


That's very interesting: Delusions help us feel safe in the face of something terrifying, but unless the delusion maps well to reality, wouldn't they also tend to lead us astray?

Arguably, the fantasy (and other art) I was talking about is more effective: By being a fiction in a very different place, it gives us distance. By being intentional, we can avoid misleading ourselves.

For some reason, in the current crisis, people have abandoned art as a way to explore and express their problems. Probably that's because, IMHO, the people trying to create the trauma and chaos have told them so - 'art is fanciful entertainment for the wealthy' you'll hear, even on HN - and bizarrely, after at least tens of millennia of art, they abandon it like lemmings.


Well I agree if a delusion doesn't map to reality it would lead you astray. It seems some groups even encourage such delusions to persist for millenia in order to serve their purposes.

But also, delusions can be an extreme form of analogy making which can be helpful to solve problems because they do map to reality in some weird way.

I also agree that creativity and art is something our society needs people to do more of right now. Art is also a form of fantasy.

I think a fundamental part of the problems we face is because our creativity has run dry. Just look at Hollywood's recent output. Sequels and remakes may make for a quick buck relative to investing in new ideas that may or may not work, but that approach is not sustainable.

In the wider world we're even suffering through a remake of the cold war because we are too scared to move past the mindset behind it and into a new, better era.

Even biblical stories are getting rehashed now by some to try and maintain the power they once had. They too are out of ideas on how to move past them.

Tell me, have you ever watched the film "The Never Ending Story"? I think it's relevent to these kinds of topics.


No, I haven't seen that film, but I'm going to look it up.

I see the same trends you do. Look at the current crisis; I hardly see any art address it. I think that's part of the reason people say art is irrelevant - in a way it is.

There's a great scene in the recent Todd Haynes fictional-bio of Bob Dylan, where someone says to young Dylan, who is playing traditional folk music: Why are singing about boxcars, etc. You've never been on one; those are ancient history. People who made those songs were singing about their world and their present experience; you need to make songs about yours.

It's a failure of everyone, but IMHO of artists in particular, to accept the narrative of despair (which I think is an intentional campaign(s) of propaganda). I think it's no more complicated than that people just need to wake up. The propaganda campaigns - and despair and paralyzation is the goal propaganda - keep undermining them, I suspect.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.


Or perhaps when times are tough, people are forced to use fantasies as a way to handle discontent which would be socially or politically dangerous to show too overtly.


Perhaps. If people's mindsets are constrained in one way their frustrations will be borne out in another. The more constraints, the more unusual the alternative will be. Somewhat like steam escaping from a pressure vessel.


When it gets really surreal it kind of emphasizes how a complete fantasy world can be constructed, sometimes merely verbally by those so inclined, and disseminated by those driven to getting increased attention.

Using more efficient mass-media as it arises allows greater numbers of the general public who might have an interest in such exaggerated stories, to indulge as deeply as they would like. Generally more so than previous generations.

With the overindulgence of some progressing to an unhealthy point, where fantasy is not fully separated from reality in the mind as well as it could be.


Yes, I totally agree with you there.




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