Yes, I totally get that (and have been doing that). My complaint/suggestion is more around the marketing and messaging. There is so much more to Elixir than LiveView!

I get this. Currently have a front-end built, with the need (& existing functionality) for offline local first etc. Switched to phoenix on the backend, and the amount of liveview stuff I have to 'wade through' is really distracting. It also seems to be eating up about 75% of the hype in the Elixir community :laugh:

But too the OPs point. This is not a technology that should be included by default. No matter how cool.

Saying this as a die hard Elixir fan who's been using it since 2015.

Why not? If you don't like it just build the app without LiveView. Having `phoenix_liveview` as a dependency in mix.exs doesn't do any harm if you're not using it.