Yes, cars at least that old are the only option I'm really OK with. Everything newer seems to have a data connection with someone, which is a complete showstopper for me.

Although, in a pinch, I could probably disable the cell radio in a car, but it's just better to not have to bother with that.

Current car is a 2011 with 60k miles. I hope to have this for another 10+ years. I bought it used in 2014 at 25k miles.

> You’re potentially losing side airbags, collision avoidance and other safety features that became relatively universal since 2010.

I'm good with that.

> I'm good with that

Sure. Not everyone is comfortable making that choice for everyone who might get in their car with them or pedestrian in their vicinity. For them, buying a newer car whose telemetry can be torn out is the realistic alternative to sucking it up.

I do like the safety found in newer cars. I also like fuel efficiency (gas or electric) in newer cars. Cars are important to me for transportation, but I do not really care for them otherwise. The newer cars just feel less and less mine. If I were not in a rural area I would consider not owning a one.

Car crashes are among the five leading causes of death in America [1].

My point is that buying a newer, safer car and disabling the telemetry (in my Subaru, for instance, it requires pulling a fuse) is almost always a better choice than buying an older car. For you. For anyone you may have with you. For everyone outside.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/ss/ss7302a1.htm

I also woukd not buy too old for the safety features. But my 2007 has side air bags. Sadly it has over 330k miles and will need replaced soon. Likely with another lowish mileage 10+ year old car that I can pay cash for.

According to the very article you linked, that’s none of them. I’ll consider buying a newer car eventually, but only if I can physically disconnect the modem.

> According to the very article you linked, that’s none of them

They're all crap. But some are worse than others.

> I’ll consider buying a newer car eventually, but only if I can physically disconnect the modem

Right. This is this point of doing the research. I don't know a way to tear out the telelmetry on a Tesla. On a Subaru, on the other hand, it requires ripping a fuse.

Couldn't they push that to them too with an over the air update?

Most traditional car companies don't push updates. I once asked Toyota if I could get an update in the dealer for a problem and they said no, they only update what is absolutely necessary (e.g., recall items).

My 2011 Acura doesn't do OTA updates either, and that's the way I like it.

There is nothing to push anything to in my 2006 Toyota.

Ah ok I thought SiriusXM could be used on older cars too. I don't have any experience with that system, it's not available in Europe.