> I can't imagine what kind of talking points one needs ...

> The Democrats did have plenty of policies. Realistic ones. Not the most exciting. If the public wants to be excited, and aren't picky about it, then indeed they should have that. But I'm not going to be able to provide it.

I think it's obvious that such an approach doesn't work; does that matter to you? You seem defiant to me (though interpreting tone from text is very uncertain); who are you defying? There's nobody to defy - you either get the results or not.

It's also obvious, IMHO, that the issue isn't policies but politics and ideals - freedom or oppression, humanitarianism or cruelty, power or democratic equality, democracy or authoritarianism, etc. How many bridges to build next year doesn't measure up, and if that's what a politician talks about, they are clearly hiding from a difficult reality.

DARVO is so incredibly effective. I wonder what comes next for the world.

Interesting, I hadn't heard that term before. It's essential to put a name on it.

The American people have proven over the past few elections that they don’t care about policy or the economy even

“It’s the economy, stupid” is over

It is now the era of “It’s the vibes, stupid”

The Democrats also tried to fool the American public like “Weekend with Bernie’s” and prop Biden up for way too long and couldn’t have a proper primary. Harris couldn’t distance herself from Biden.

It wasn't just the lack of a primary: They just look like losers. They were going all in on a losing candidate and didn't seem to care. It's bizarre.

Many Dem leaders don't seem to care now, complaining that people are pressuring them to be effective.

No, the democrat's problem is they weren’t willing to just flat out lie. They told the public the truth, basic facts like no, the president doesn’t have the power to unilaterally lower your grocery prices. And whether due to desperation, or lack of education, or otherwise, the voting public chose the proven pathological liar who said he would be the one to lower the price of eggs. Right up until the week after the election when he had to explain why the prices weren’t going down.

There are countless interviews with voters quoting the laughable and provably impossible promises/lies Trump spouted during the last campaign as their reason for voting for him.

If what you’re advocating is that the democrats need to embrace denying reality and lying to the public if they want to win, I can’t disagree with you. But I also think historians won’t have a tough time pointing to the end of the American experiment.

> They told the public the truth, basic facts like

Just telling people the 'truth' isn't effective communication at all (in fact, it can be dangerous) - that should be obvious to anyone with some experience in life. To tell the 'truth' and then throw up your hands because it didn't work is just being at victim.

A major political party knows all that - it's shameful and corrupt that they don't care to be effective.

I know it takes more than telling the truth. It's that voters are seeking out obvious lies. That is where I throw up my hands.

I don't expect the voters to love boring truths. But if they actively want to be lied to, and revel in getting away with lies, then democracy is not the tool for me.