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that first launch included a crew, it's 2025 and starship is nowhere near that


Yeah, well, apparently neither was Shuttle. RIP Challenger and Columbia and crews.

No fatalities with Dragon yet, thankfully. It seems to me that Dragon and Shuttle are much more directly comparable. Falcon 9 throws away it's second stage, which is still less than Shuttle did. And Dragon requires a similar level of refurbishment to Shuttle. Shuttle could carry 27,000kg to LEO whereas Falcon 9 can carry 22,800kg to LEO.

Starship is slated for 200,000kg to LEO. It's in an entirely different class.

The aspect of Starship I find craziest - it's lack of launch abort system at this stage of development - was a problem Shuttle suffered it's whole life. And Shuttle didn't have the engine redundancy of Starship or Falcon 9.




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