How many Waymos can be burned before the protests become riots. I agree that 1 burning Waymo is probably not worthy of a national guard deployment, but unsure above that
There's really only 2 sides to the issue. You either accept mostly peaceful protests with some violence, whatever the cause may be, and trust local law enforcement and civilians to self-regulate. Or you are support authoritarianism and demand the federal government deploy the military against American citizens the first time someone throws a rock at a car.
I reject this framing and I welcome Federal agents, Federalized Guard units, and the USMC into LA and California at large to clear out all illegal immigrants.
I would support them doing this with 100% peaceful protests and even with no protests at all.
The protesters are not a homogenous bunch, even if most of them are peaceful, there will always be rabble rousers and thugs wanting to take advantage of minor chaos to cause major chaos. Gross generalizations are then common (look, there was a rabble rousers, so they are all rabble rousers!) magnified by deceptive media techniques (show just the rabble rousers, and replay that same clip 50 times today to give the impression that this is more violent than it really is, hey, where is our photoshop person?).
The effect then is to inflame outrage on both sides, and now we are basically headed to BLM 2.0. Trump seems to have actually planned this out well (use the military to stoke outrage, and a protest in one LA neighborhood becomes a nationwide riot so he has an excuse to cancel the midterms?).
You aren't arguing in good faith, so what's the point? You are using logical fallacies along with a good dose of ad hominem, which has no place on HN, or in intelligent discourse. Yes, the president talks like you also, but no, that still doesn't make it right.
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But you dodged my question. You had said a single car on fire was enough to shut down a protest. So then answer the question: how do you know who set the car on fire?
From my perspective, all it would take to manipulate you would be for a cop or agitator to set a car on fire and broadcast the picture blaming protestors.
So then what happens, in your preferred world? It would seem like if you got your way, that would be the end of the first amendment. Anytime anyone stands up to protest, police can just set a single car on fire, and based on your statement, you would want the protest to end at that point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how does the first amendment survive in your utopia? Or is it not meant to?
It's barely any damage. Most of the clips I've seen circulating aren't even from these protests - they're from BLM years ago and people are just recycling them and hoping nobody would notice. And, well... nobody notices. So.
I'm not lying - it's very overblown because of course it is. I have friends in LA right now. They're mostly just outside listening to music and dancing.
Obviously, such a narrative is very boring. So we don't see it. In reality, though, the damage is quite small. Similar to BLM in the past, in which almost all protests saw no damage at all.
And, elephant in the room - there's a 0% chance that the fucking marines are going to de-escalate anything. You think Trump wants less violence, less destruction? No, he wants MORE of it.
Yeah, we all know how violent lefties are. They're djaying right now, the horror!
> It's not the police that started it.
Sure, but the police escalated it because that's all they know what to do.
The worst thing to do for a protest is send in the police. Because they're going to antagonize people, shoot rubber bullets, throw tear gas, and then suddenly you're on the news.
During the BLM protests there was footage out the wazoo of people literally sitting there or just walking and then having rubber bullets shot at them. Sometimes while they were actually on their knees.
I'm not who you are replying to, but some people believe a portion of Anne Frank's diary was a forgery. Apparently, the type of pen used in portions of it wasn't even created until after she died.
I am unsure as to the accuracy of such claims. Some people have been thrown in jail in Europe for making these claims.
You seem to suggest the answer to my question there is that people just don’t like Trump. But can you really not distinguish the tactics they deployed, and how Trump’s tactics of maximum force might lead to greater resistance? When people are pushed they’re going to push back.
