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We cut all ties with USA and consider them what they de facto are - a rogue state, resembling putinist russia more and more.

I've never seen a country disasembling itself with such speed. It took Putin 20 years to get the country and society to where it is now, I am not sure USA will be in a better state after 4 years full with nepotism, oligarchy, anti-scientific freaks in administration, corruption and ignoring laws on a daily basis.



That is what the despots want. The way for democracy to survive is by keeping in contact and business with the regular population where possible, but with enough independent strength to not have to bow to the despotic governments.


I've read it took Putin something like four years.

He came into power 1st Jan 2000, and by 2004 people were no longer speaking openly, from fear.


We can say there were autocratic tendencies from the beginning, as well as "tightening the screws", but he went full batshit insane only somewhere after the Maidan revolution.


No it started on the day of a particular nato meeting (Munich) where putin gave a bizarre speech.

Which 1 year after he invaded Georgia.


I take it you mean the 2007 Munich speech: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Munich_speech_of_Vladimir...


Even though I tend to criticise the state of Linux on the desktop, because I care to be able to buy a 100% fully functionable GNU/Linux laptop at the local shopping mall and not some strange shop online, if we want to cut ties, we also must do the same with all technology "Made in US", and to an extreme also includes FOSS contributions.




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