How about this then... can we agree that CBP searches outside of a posted border crossing within 100 miles of a land border, appears to be a contested and unsettled issue that may be subject to the whims of the judge of each case, but cannot clearly be defined objectively as "a myth" like you put it.
No? You just said "how about this: I reject your argument". That's fine, we don't have to agree, but let's not pretend that we agree when we don't. What was said on this thread about the "100 mile zone" was wrong. It was wrong according to your own cite! (I just happened to have already read it, because, as I said, this comes up on HN a bunch).
What's funny is: depending on which ACLU page you hit, they don't even agree with themselves. Their new main "100 mile border" page is full of caveats, but their original 2014-vintage page, which is still on the first Google SERP, claims things like CBP authorization to search luggage within the "100 mile zone" (definitely no! do they do it? i'm sure they do; just not lawfully).
We must be having some kind of disagreement on what "the 100 mile zone" even is then, because I thought the 8 CFR 287 link explicitly defined it. Can you please elaborate on exactly what it is you are claiming is a myth and why? I'd like to understand your point of view better.
And if this is indeed a settled issue as I believe you are claiming, can you cite any court cases that establish whether (whatever you claim is a myth) is actually legal or illegal?
You claimed that "searches do not have as much protection" within (paraphrased) "the 100 mile zone". This is false, though it is something ACLU has repeatedly claimed (and which it now clarifies is false in its current guidance). Let's just start there.
Your own cites back up what I'm saying (as does the ACLU now) so I'm not going to find you new cites; start by rereading the ones you provided.
> The statute apparently supporting Border Patrol’s authority within the border provides agents the authority to “board and search for aliens” on any “aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle” within a “reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States.” (later defined as 100 miles in 1953)
> The regulation also provides exceptions to the 100-mile rule whereby the Commissioner of CBP or the Assistant Secretary for ICE may declare a larger distance to be “reasonable” on a case-by-case basis
> The same regulation also authorizes CBP to enter private property, other than
residences, within 25 miles of the border without a warrant.
I know that's not 100, but I think it's still "less protection" than people would reasonably assume there to be.
> In cases testing the Fourth Amendment limits of Border Patrol’s authority to conduct warrantless searches of those entering the country at ports of entry (including functional border equivalents, such as international airports), the courts have used a balancing test whereby the Fourth Amendment privacy rights of entrants are weighed against the sovereign’s security interests at the border.31 The Supreme Court has decided that there is a reduced expectation of privacy at the border, holding that the government’s interest in monitoring and controlling entrants outweighs the privacy interest of the individual. Thus, routine searches without a warrant, probable cause, or reasonable suspicion are considered inherently reasonable and automatically justified in that particular context.
> Although nothing in the Fourth Amendment (or Constitution generally) provides for such a principle, this doctrine has become known as the “border search exception” to the warrant requirement of the Fourth Amendment. The precise limits to this exception are disputed and continue to be tested
How is this not clear that it is not a settled issue, and generally gives them greater permission to search (e.g. without a warrant) than say, a vehicle that's 500 miles away from any external boundary (at the least, a port of entry or international airport)?
You are quoting this article misleadingly. Obviously, there is a border search exemption to the constitution. But, as the article and the ACLU both point out, it does not apply 100 (or 25) miles from the border; it applies only at actual border crossings. The article is not about the border search exemption; it's about the "100 mile zone", which, as I said, more or less creates only the ability for CBP to do superficial immigration checkpoints.
I don't understand how you think you're helping anyone by making these kinds of claims. Who is better off believing that the government has sweeping search powers that they don't actually have?
I have to agree with parent, the quoted law very much establishes a 100 mile zone, as they said... and I still see zero evidence of it being "a myth". Plus you seem to be moving the goalposts and not accepting that.
Is that sufficient for you?