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^ Be aware that a large number of accounts in this thread are throwaway sockpuppets which are obviously linked. It's a problem that they're pretending to be a crowd of unrelated people; it's an inauthentic attack trying (I don't know why) to manipulate HN sentiment.


> I don't know why

It's the new age of propaganda. It's not just on HN; it's just slightly easier to spot here because we can easily look at history. Bots are everywhere, trying to drive the narrative in the direction their owners desire. They're playing a really long game here and we don't even know who the players are.


The pro-Musk propaganda on X is truly staggering as of late. Pretty sure talking about his Golden Dome connections, which have been widely reported by Reuters, WSJ, etc.. is at least the opposite of that.


Well at least we have the answer to the Fermi Paradox now.


Prosperity induced fertility collapse beat it to the punch.


I figure evolution will solve that. The kind of people who don’t have kids while living in prosperity will die out. The ones who reproduce will stick around.


We’ll build mirror life to assist us so we keep not needing children before evolution has a chance to fix anything. I postulate it is coming this century.

Time for a wall-e rewatch.


> Prosperity induced fertility collapse

This is only a problem when you look at the micro level of cultures or individual states. Sure, some culture may die out, but that's been happening forever.

There's 8 billion humans on this planet, and we're still fucking like we always have been. The human race will be safe from prosperity.


Humans will number 10 to 11 billion before the curve starts pointing downward. Even China, the supposed basket case of population collapse will "collapse" to their level of a few decades ago. The current population was supposed to be catastrophically overpopulated.

I don't agree with them but there are significant numbers of people who think 10 or 11 billion is way beyond sustainability.


income correlates with fertility in for example Sweden where the highest income bracket has 2.1 children.


It’s not a linear effect. Once you have enough money to afford family planning it’s more like a level shift.


it is extremely linear (in Sweden)


Maybe in that country, everywhere else in the world increases in prosperity mean fewer children.


Population decline is predicted or currently happening in some poor countries too. It's not a prosperity driven effect. Children don't die young anymore even in poor countries. There's just generally less pressure to spawn your own gang of supporters. Elon excepted I guess.


Every poor country is dramatically wealthier than they were 70 years ago.


Everyone can’t be in the highest income bracket.


reading comprehension

the topic is fertility collapse due to prosperity

the point is, is that actually the core issue?


2.1 is replacement.

Sweden’s over all fertility rate looks to be around 1.8.


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Is 2.1 high or low relative to the rest of Sweden?


again, read what the topic of conversation is


"Prosperity" implies that the problem is folks smart enough to not have children beyond the means to raise them into a similar or better lifestyle.

I prefer "Precarity" induced fertility collapse. Down here in the mud I guess I have a different view with my 1 child and wife with a heart condition who would likely die from a 2nd pregnancy.


Literally Dr. Strangelove (Edward Teller). This whole thing is a decades-old Heritage Foundation scheme to beat MAD game theory so they can start and win a nuclear war.


So that's how they Make America Great Again! With say, only 50 million casualties at home, we can win this war! Yay!


Except, they're just doing it to get their hands on those trillions of dollars of tax money. They don't really care if it's infeasible.


Really? They knew about Project 2025 when they started development and were 100% certain that Trump would return and green light such a project in 20205?


The "dream" of such a system was there for a long time, waiting for the proper tools to build it. Even without that plan though, once you have a hammer you'll find plenty of nails. Putting heavy stuff in space was always going to catch the eye of the deep-pocketed military.


Yes, but under a different name. Biden was the first to really push back.

Read https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/11/the-pentagon-is-recruiting...


Who will think of the billionaires!


The future's most inconvenient truths always get the most downvotes




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