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hey, not accusing you of anything (bad assumptions don't lead to a conducive conversation) but did you use AI to write or assist with this comment?

this is totally out of my own self-interest, no problems with its content



Upon inspection, the author's personal website used em dashes in 2023. I hope this helped with your witch hunt.

I'm imagining a sort of Logan's Run-like scifi setup where only people with a documented em dash before November 30, 2022, i.e. D(ash)-day, are left with permission to write.


Phew. I have published work with em dashes, bulleted lists, “not just X, but Y” phrasing, and the use of “certainly”, all from the 90’s. Feel sorry for the kids, but I got mine.


I'm grandfathered in too. RIP the hyphen crew.


> I'm imagining a sort of Logan's Run-like scifi setup where only people with a documented em dash before November 30, 2022, i.e. D(ash)-day, are left with permission to write.

At least Robespierre needed two sentences before condemning a man. Now the mob is lynching people on the basis of a single glyph.


I started to use — dash so that algos skip my writing thinking they were AI generated.


wasn't talking about the em dashes (i use them myself) but thanks anyway :)


I have been overusing em dashes and bulleted lists since the actual 80s, I'm sad to say. I spent much of the 90s manually typing "smart" quotes.

I have actually been deliberately modifying my long-time writing style and use of punctuation to look less like an LLM. I'm not sure how I feel about this.


Alt + 0151, baby! Or... however you do it on MacOS.

But now, likewise, having to bail on emdashes. My last differentiator is that I always close set the emdash—no spaces on either side, whereas ChatGPT typically opens them (AP Style).


Just use some typography layout with a separate layer. Eg “right alt” plus “-” for m-dash

Russians use this for at least 15 years

https://ilyabirman.ru/typography-layout/


I'm a savage, I just copy-paste them from Unicode sites.


On the mac you just type — for an em dash or – for an en dash.


Is this a troll?

But anyway, it’s option-hyphen for a en-dash and opt-shift-hyphen for the em-dash.

I also just stopped using them a couple years ago when the meme about AI using them picked up steam.


found the guy who didn't know about em dashes before this year

also your question implies a bad assumption even if you disclaim it. if you don't want to imply a bad assumption the way to do that is to not say the words, not disclaim them


didn't even notice the em dashes to be honest, i noticed the contrast framing in the second paragraph and the "It's impressive how" for its conclusion.

as for the "assumption" bit, yeah fair enough. was just curious of AI usage online, this wasn't meant to be a dig at anyone as i know people use it for translations, cleaning up prose etc


No offense taken, but realize that good number of us folks who have learned English as a second language have been taught in this way (especially in an academic setting). LLMs' writing are like that of people, not the other way around.


wouldn't say that... they're very distinctly not like people, that's (part of) the problem. But I don't think the difference is measured exactly in the choices of words and punctuation. It's more like... you can tell, reading AI writing, that it's not "sincere"; no person would want to say what the AI is saying, because it feels fake and disingenuous. The phrases and em dashes and whatever else are just the method for this effect. Real people use the same phrases but with real intent to communicate behind them, and the result is different in a way that is curiously easy to detect.


The hatred mostly comes from TTS models not properly pausing for them.

“NO EM DASHES” is common system prompt behavior.


You know, I didn’t think about that, but you’re right. I have seen so many AI narrations where it reads the dash exactly like a hyphen, actually maybe slightly reducing the inter-word gap. Odd the kinds of “easy” things such as complicated and advanced system gets wrong.




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