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“He led an insurrection against our Constitution” is extremely hyperbolic.


> Rome was destroyed, Greece was destroyed, Persia was destroyed, Spain was destroyed

The Electoral College is a Constitutional body. The Vice President, in his electoral duties, a Constitutional officer. These are limited roles with specific aims and they were directly, explicitly and violently attacked. The men who called for hanging the Vice President never repented and were pardoned.


I normally disagree with `JumpCrissCross but he’s right on calling it an insurrection.

And I am not referring to the assault on the capitol, I am referring to the false slates of electors.


The fact that Trump was even allowed to run for another election is the clearest sign that he has not and likely never will be held to account for his flagrant disregard for Democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

> The Trump fake electors plot was an attempt by U.S. president Donald Trump and associates to have him remain in power after losing the 2020 United States presidential election. After the results of the election determined Trump had lost, he, his associates, and Republican Party officials in seven battleground states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin[1] – devised a scheme to submit fraudulent certificates of ascertainment to falsely claim Trump had won the Electoral College vote in crucial states. The plot was one of Trump and his associates' attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election.


Is that all accurate? How is this not bigger news? I'm not from the US, but this seems unreal.


Yes it is accurate.

By the time we had the full details the republican party had coalesced behind still supporting Trump. People either claim that Trump did win the election and he was fighting back or insist that the fake electors plot didn't really exist and this was all just the Biden administration weaponizing the DOJ against Trump as revenge.

The Supreme Court stepped in twice to protect Trump. Colorado tried to remove him from the ballot based on a clause in the 14th amendment that makes people who have engaged in insurrection ineligible for holding federal office. The Supreme Court said that doing this requires congressional action, which was controlled by the GOP at the time. The Supreme Court also stepped in to stop the federal prosecution of Trump for this crime, finding that most (or all) of the actions he took were protected under a new doctrine of presidential criminal immunity.


You are delusional if you think January 6th was not an insurrection. Anyone who willingly denies the reality of what happened that day is nothing more than a traitor to this country.

Trump organized riled up a mob that called for his own vice president to be hanged for certifying his own legitimate election loss.

His own campaign was involved with groups that led the breach of the Capitol, resulting in the death of many police officers, where the insurrectionists got within mere feet of our legally elected officials.

He called the Secretary of State in Georgia telling him needed to "find votes" so that he could claim he won.

Donald Trump tried to destroy American democracy with a violent mob that day. Denying the legitimate voice and vote of tens of millions of people for his own sick gain.

He is destroying democracy again, but you cannot deny January 6th was his doing.


> Anyone who willingly denies the reality of what happened that day is nothing more than a traitor to this country

No they’re not.


They most certainly are.


>You are delusional if you think January 6th was not an insurrection. Anyone who willingly denies the reality of what happened that day is nothing more than a traitor to this country.

Was it a "insurrection", yes, sure.

Was it lead by Trump to try and take the presidency through a coup, no.

Does he have responsibility in the actions of the people that came their by what he said? Maybe, that is for a court to decide that we'll probably never see.




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