At the earliest, "vibecoding" was only possible with Claude 3.5, released July 2024 ... maaaybe Claude 3, released in March of that year...

It's worth mentioning that even today, Copilot is an underwhelming-to-the-point-obstructing kind of product. Microsoft sent salespeople and instructors to my job, all for naught. Copilot is a great example of how product > everything, and if you don't have a good product... well...

Is Claude through Github Copilot THAT much worse? I know there are differences, but I don't find it to be obstructing my vibe coding.

In the enterprise deployments of GitHub Copilot I've seen at my clients that authenticate over SSO (typically OIDC with OAuth 2.0), connecting Copilot to anything outside of what Microsoft has integrated means reverse engineering the closed authentication interface. I've yet to run across someone's enterprise Github Copilot where the management and administrators have enabled the integration (the sites have enabled access to Anthropic models within the Copilot interface, but not authorized the integration to Claude Code, Opencode, or similar LLM coding orchestration tooling with that closed authentication interface).

While this is likely feasible, I imagine it is also an instant fireable offense at these sites if not already explicitly directed by management. Also not sure how Microsoft would react upon finding out (never seen the enterprise licensing agreement paperwork for these setups). Someone's account driving Claude Code via Github Copilot will also become a far outlier of token consumption by an order(s) of magnitude, making them easy to spot, compared to their coworkers who are limited to the conventional chat and code completion interfaces.

If someone has gotten the enterprise Github Copilot integration to work with something like Claude Code though (simply to gain access to the models Copilot makes available under the enterprise agreement, in a blessed golden path by the enterprise), then I'd really like to know how that was done on both the non-technical and technical angles, because when I briefly looked into it all I saw were very thorny, time-consuming issues to untangle.

Outside those environments, there are lots of options to consume Claude Code via Github Copilot like with Visual Studio Code extensions. So much smaller companies and individuals seem to be at the forefront of adoption for now. I'm sure this picture will improve, but the rapid rate of change in the field means those whose work environment is like those enterprise constrained ones I described but also who don't experiment on their own will be quite behind the industry leading edge by the time it is all sorted out in the enterprise context.

I haven't tried it since 9-12 months ago. At the time it was really bad and I had a lot more success copy/pasting from web interfaces. Is it better now? Can you agentic code with it? How's the autocomplete?

Yes, I vibecoded small personal apps from start to finish with it. Planning mode, edit mode, mcp, tool calling, web searches. Can easily switch between Gemini, ChatGPT, Grok or Claude within the same conversation. I think multiple agents work, though not sure.

All under one subscription.

Does not support upload / reading of PDF files :(

> Can you agentic code with it?

Yes, definitely. I use it mostly in Agent mode, then switch to Ask mode to ask it questions.

> How's the autocomplete?

It works reasonably well, but I'm less interested in autocomplete.

Yes. Copilot sucks. Copilot is like a barely better intellisense/auto-complete, especially when it came out. It was novel and cool back then but it has been vastly surpassed by other tools.

> Copilot is like a barely better intellisense/auto-complete

As I have never tried Claude Code, I can't say how much better it is. But Copilot is definitely more then auto-complete. Like I already wrote, it can do Planning mode, edit mode, mcp, tool calling, web searches.

Yeah, same. I have never tried Claude Code but use Claude through the Copilot plugin, and it's NOT auto-complete. It can analyze and refactor code, write new code, etc.

I just feel like using Copilot would be like early car designers trying to steer their new car with reins.

Have you used it recently?

Or any specific that caused this feeling

Nope, haven't tried recently because the cli tools were so much better and more powerful I haven't felt like there's a reason to ever go back.

Odd to be so confident and outspoken about a product you have not used in a while.

I haven't used it because there's been absolutely no reason to even try again. I jumped on copilot when it first came out. I had a personal account and they got us subscriptions at work. It was the first LLM/AI tool I dropped. It was around 2 months ago they dropped our subscriptions at work too.

I only have an IDE open these days to review, maybe update a config or parameter on occasion.

Github copilot used to only be in line completion. That is not vibe coding.

I wasn't an early adopter of Copilot, but now the VSCode plugin can use Claude models in Agent mode. I've had success with this.

I don't "vibecode" though, if I don't understand what it's doing I don't use it. And of course, like all LLMs, sometimes it goes on a useless tangent and must be reigned in.

Early cursor was just integrated chat and code completion. No agents.

was github copilot LLM based in 2021? I thought the first version was something more rudimentary

gpt-3 afaik