It’s worth pointing out that the official Bazzite position is that Antheas was removed from the project for breaching Code of Conduct and harassing people in their official Discord server
or depending on your point of view (I don't know which one is the correct one), it's very easy to find some rule that was infringed for a quick power grab, right at the time when Bazzite is becoming popular.
It's sad that this happens so often now. My brain auto translates the above statement to "we, the wokes, abused the overly broad, convoluted and mostly unnecessary code of conduct we pushed through earlier to get rid of dissent." at this point, although it may not be a correct auto translation in this case.
it was clearly bad enough for everyone else to decide that they didn't want to put up with him anymore. which is what happens in the real world.
online, everyone considers themselves a public figure. and because we can't seem to get shot of public figures, whether they be rapists, homophobes, or just arseholes, alleged or proven, they believe, logically, you shouldn't be able to be rid of them.
offline, if you have someone who makes your life a misery, you tell them to fuck off.
Boy i wish that principle held up in real medicine and other parts of life; "rep and skills" may in some ways equal power, but that false equivalency is how problematic behavior is excused in unfit individuals.
Pretty much. He said some mean words. The cult of personality around the other maintainer has spun it into something way worse that he someone made other people quit OSS or something. It's hog wash and not backed up by anything.
I guarantee you I can say some mean words that would upset you at some point. If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave. Words have power, we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs.
2. Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me?
3. Why are you inventing this hypothetical instead of just showing where that occurred?
4. No-one has said words don't have power. But being on the internet you should be able to recognize that you won't be friends with everyone. So you have to develop some basic emotional regulation for silly insults.
Why? What's the point of getting upset over any minor slight? Seems more disrespectful to yourself to waste time thinking about it. Why not laugh at the silly insults from people who don't know you and move on?
> Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me?
If you were involved with bazzite that was not necessarily an option. Hence why some people just elected to leave the project entirely, which is unfortunate to see because I’m sure some talented, contributing people are no longer making the project better.
Honestly I’m surprised that I need to explain the need for people to treat each other with basic decency and respect. Have you really never faced harassment that you couldn’t get away from without either leaving, their leaving, or external intervention?
Would you have the same laissez-faire attitude if I was harassing your partner or children? Would you simply tell them to not care about “mean words”? Should a coworker just be allowed to endlessly call you slurs at work?
Back to your questions: What hypothetical did I make up? Confused by that question and your first one. Those weren’t my examples (I gave none).
It’s one thing to deal with rude people online. It’s another when it’s when you’re at work, doing a hobby, or contributing your time and energy to an open source project. People shouldn’t be abused in general, however. Yes it is good to have thick skin but it doesn’t change the fact that if somebody behaves like that, they are ultimately in the wrong. I don’t know if he behaved as poorly as the bazzite team is claiming, but I’m not really here to litigate that. I just don’t love the idea of saying “just ignore mean words.” it’s flippant, unproductive, and downplays the power of words.
Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish.
What are you talking about? Of course you should treat everybody well. But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well. Of course I've been harassed before. But that's not related to this at all. We're talking about Bazzite where someone got called an idiot once.
You're really reaching now. If you were harassing my partner or children this would be an entirely different conversation. Again, that's not relevant at all. You're just reaching for anything to make this emotional plea. Also slurs? Come on now. We're literally talking about someone getting called an "idiot". Not a slur. Stop stretching the truth.
Your hypothetical was "If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave".
Nobody was abused here. Good lord. So THAT'S what set you off. So "just ignore mean words" does mean "let everyone call you slurs all day". It's means what it literally says. Mean words. Mean words are "idiot", "stupid", etc. They are silly and childish insults. They are not harmful words. They are not slurs. They are not harassment. Do you understand what I said now? Because I think your invention of scenarios that didn't happen here is extremely unproductive and is derailing the conversation. Instead of using slogans and extremes, ask questions next time. Can really save you and others some effort.
> Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish.
> But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well.
I never said either of those statements and I agree they are not worth flipping the table over for.
> Your hypothetical was "If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave".
It’s not hypothetical. It’s what people are claiming he was doing and you were saying people need to just shrug it off. My questions to you were an attempt to establish that there is a line at which someone can say “it’s not just mean words anymore.” More specifically, where you draw the line.
You keep trying to describe the situation as one very small slight that happened one time, which does not appear to be accurate. The accusation is a pattern of behavior. If you don’t believe the accusation that is an entirely different story, but if most or all of what is being claimed is true, then he was needlessly hostile and caused problems for multiple people for an extended period of time. He didn’t simply “call someone an idiot once.”
I would be very interested to see this repeated and consistent behavior then. Because all the evidence that keeps getting passed around is someone getting an idiot once. Which seems to clearly vindicate Antheas's claim that the other devs developed a sycophantic group inside the project around them. Groups like that pull this "he was harassing everyone and making everyone quit" story seems to have zero evidence to back it up.
Obviously if he was harassing people and forcing them to quit that's a different story, but that does not seem to be the case here unless you take the remaining Bazzite project leaders word for it. This seems more like a case of power hungry project leadership wanting to have an echo chamber in the project. Which is not an uncommon occurrence sadly.
Go to the discord server and search “antheas.” Even with its terrible search you’ll find the discussions (and his comments) illuminating. No need to take my word for it. You’ll see complaint after complaint from members of the community.
