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From military consequences pov, EU isn't a military alliance but it would of course also be attacking NATO.


The EU absolutely is a military alliance as well.


That's a heterodox interpretation. Something akin to it was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_Union but it's no more.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_alliances

The EU treaty has a clause that calls for assistance for part of the members (who are not neutral) but there's no military structure outside NATO.

There's also a perpatual public debate about whether EU should become a military alliance. eg https://theloop.ecpr.eu/can-the-eu-form-an-autonomous-milita...

In practical terms, in event of a invasion, only NATO has a organisation set up for coordinated response.


You are really completely clueless, I have no idea why you keep posting comments that contradict your own comments but fine, whatever.

There are four different mutual defense pacts in Europe and there is an umbrella one and they all operate independently of NATO. And then there is NATO, with or without the USA.


Hey, a bit of civility please.

I assume the contradiction you refer to is that EU has this clause but it's still not considered a military alliance? Maybe you read the term differently. It doesn't mean it has zero defense dimensions, it's that its mission or capability are not military. That's why NATO is the one a would-be invader needs to worry about wrt military consequences.


In WW2, was there an existing organisation for a coordinated response? In the Korean War? Was NATO the organization that coordinated allies in the Persian Gulf War?


Of course military alliances can be formed after wars start, I'm not saying this couldn't happen in Europe. But it's different to have a military alliance existing responding to a conflict (or better yet preventing the conflict, as the military alliance served as a deterrent).




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