This is very admirable of him to try, but it will always be very difficult, unle...

ThunderSizzle · 2026-04-05T10:25:04 1775384704

Considering Christians should be putting the New Testament on a higher order than the Old, it should be trivial to not be stuck in the Old.

You probably can thank Christian Zionism and sola scriptura for people forgetting about Jesus while talking about the OT endlessly.

Both of those heresies truly derive from a sense of individual automony and authority, placing the individual nearly equal with God

anthk · 2026-04-05T11:06:22 1775387182

In order to be nearly 'equal' to God you would need to:

- learn in a hard way, your DNA it's there to learn from your surroundings, you are not a rock.

- apply what you learn for the pure pleasure of knowledge, not to brag about it like a smartass.

- share you learnt with your peers with no profit mindset at all, just for the collective good, isolated knowledge it's useless.

- repeat.

Yep, a bit like Read, Eval, Print, Loop from Lisp.

srean · 2026-04-05T10:31:15 1775385075

I largely agree with you. Yes there is ordering but there is no breaking away or denouncing. If you don't, you are always vulnerable to an upstarts who holds you accountable on those parts.

But that said, it's really commendable that the pope is trying.

ThunderSizzle · 2026-04-05T16:43:47 1775407427

Denouncing is an odd word to use or expect. A a Christian isn't going to "denounce" the Bible, even if it's the Old Testament.

I think the proper way to put it is seeing the Old Testament through the vision of Jesus Christ as the Messiah and fulfillment of the Old Testament, which itself is complicated and confusing. It really confused St. Paul when he realized through his vision the Truth, and it took time for him to reconcile his knowledge of Scripture with the reality of Christ.

Regardless, too many Protestants find that hard, because that admits that Christ fulfilled the Jewish faith, and that is "antisemitic"...see Ted Cruz as an example of that opinion. He thinks fulfillment theology is some sort of error, but it's exactly what the apostles came to believe and practice.

Anyway, I hope more Christians come to listen to the current Pope. I could understand ignoring Pope Francis, as he was relatively inconsistent and incoherent, especially for English speakers, but Pope Leo has not shown the same negatives yet.