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This should be the preferred way to ride all local transit systems. One price for the whole family, ride as much as you want for the month (I think month is better then year - easier to budget, and if you move you are not out as much). If people aren't willing to pay for the pass, your system isn't useful and you need to fix that. Because it is unlimited rides people are less likely to think about using the car for trips that could go either way.

Note that I said local. For trips to other cities it might (or might not) make sense to charge a different price - such trips are not as common.



Depends, I used to have a flatrate, high speed train about for commuting for a couple of years. I needed to city abos on top. Monthly costs were around 300 Euro, still cheaper / on par with a car (fuel only). That Austrian offer is the way to go, IMHO. I would even consider it for private purposes only for that price.


Hmmm, problem is if it would be the dominant way of buying tickets the transport organisation would loose even more incentive to be customer oriented. Many public transportation companies, for instance Deutche Bahn, are awful and rude. They are often semi-public and semi-monopolistic, imagine paying them a year budget up front, would make things even worse.


DB already offers something similar in the form of yearly discount cards with three different levels: 25%, 50% and 100%. The latter being pretty much the same thing as the above mentioned card (although 4x as expensive).


People do have options, if service is bad enough they can buy a car. (I don't want them to, but they can). Or vote for politicians who will do something about it (I'd prefer transit was entirely private, but for a number of reasons that isn't possible anymore)


> One price for the whole family

Why not make it free? It's a public service after all, and it's hard to "abuse" transportation like one can use "too much" free water/electricity.


Because then politicians will rob the budget for whatever their pet project is. Fares should at least cover all operating costs (including maintenance), so that politicians can't slowly kill the system via neglect (they will kill it by others means, but at least budget won't be one)


How is that so? Politicians have a way to destroy/privatize public service whether it's self-funded or not, just like they destroy/ban private associations doing too much of a job for social justice (such as armed bands expropriating the bourgeoisie to feed popular districts, which was common throughout the 60-80s).

Famously, french social security (healthcare), unemployment and pensions are more or less self-funded (they all have their own line/column on taxes papers), yet the previous 3-5 governments have been relentlessly reforming those essential public services in order to render them useless. It's also important to note that in most instances of such reforms, the government will point out some money is missing to fund the service, which :

- is only partially true, as insane amounts are spent for their disserving bureaucracies, managerial class, and control apparatus, all of which we would do better without

- is still partially true, but benefits fraud represents in all cases less than 1% of participation fraud, where the biggest companies are the ones evading to pay their dues... so if law enforcement were to crack down on big corporations fraud instead of political dissent, the problem would be solved very easily


You are correct, but if the service is self funded via operational fees it is better able to stand for longer - which gives a chance that whoever is harming them will be voted out and someone else will do better. Though we have ample experience in the US of long term neglect from both parties, the more you are self funded the harder it is to do that. If you are not self funded as soon as someone cuts your budget you have to cut service, but if you are self funded you can ride out those winds better. (though COVID like things will harm you no matter what)

There is no great answer here, but I still believe that self funding of operating costs is the best answer.


Every passenger wears on the system. It is fair that you pay a part of things you use.


Re the other reply: this'll vary by country, but the UK effectively charges a road-usage tax (fuel duty) that nets about twice as much (20Bn) as the annual spending on roads (warning - source = two minutes of googling)


Every road user also uses roads paid for by every tax payer so there's that.


But everyone uses roads, driver or not. The food in the store was not grown there, your mail was probably brought along the road at some point…


In .cz, we have gasoline taxed heavily, with the rationale that it pays for roads. Additionally, highways have toll (for all cars) and major roads have tolls for heavy cars (as they damage more). And a tax is paid for every car used for business purposes (company car, contractors etc.).

All of this combined indeed almost covers the expenses of building and maintaining roads. Unfortunately, it does not cover any negative externalities, such as the environmental ones.


Well that's good, isn't it? I mean if i had to choose between my taxes financing public roads/trains, and my taxes financing cops to beat up my neighbors and silence political dissent, i would without any form of hesitation choose the former.

Unfortunately, we don't live in a democracy so there's not exactly a choice beyond what brand/color of corrupt overlord we'd like to see ruin our lives for the next 5 years.


Most public transit systems are already bankrupt and have to be propped up by taxes collected from other services. Making it free will most likely not increase ridership and will almost definitely make the quality of service lower.


As you have pointed out, public subsidies are already the main financing source for public utilities. If you're worried about bankruptcy, you may be worried that ticketing/controlling equipment and personnel has a substantial cost for transportation agencies (also: environmental cost).

French law already has obligation for your employer to pay (at least parts of) your travel fees. You could also have a tax on hotel rooms and airbnbs for tourists to help finance it. There's already cities across the globe practicing free public transport and so far i haven't heard any complaining or finding unexpected difficulties.

Also, specifically about quality of service, we could argue having a service orientation driven by workers and users (a sort of coop if you like) would yield better results than what David Graeber refers to as "manageurial feudalism" sucking public services dry through dehumanizing micromanagement techniques, absurd salaries for the higher-ups, and various forms of corruption such as "private-public partnerships".


> Most public transit systems are already bankrupt and have to be propped up by taxes collected from other services.

Hold on, this is a pretty odd way to frame a public service. By this logic, you could equally say:

- Most road systems are already bankrupt and have to be propped up by taxes collected from other services.

- Most schools are already bankrupt and have to be propped up by taxes collected from other services.

- Most fire departments are already bankrupt and have to be propped up by taxes collected from other services.


Many people use the transit system associated with the local city on a very occasional basis. Cost has nothing to do with it. It just doesn’t go where I normally travel day to day and the commuter rail is just too infrequent and to slow to use outside of commuting hours.




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