> This has pixels the size of my hand

This is 128 ppi, which would be considered "retina" at a viewing distance of 70cm (27in).

Are you really sitting 2 feet from a 52" monitor? I'd have to cutout a curve in the front of my desk to sit that close

I literally have this monitor already and these pixels are humongous. Even at 3 feet away. Also the viewing angle degradation is too much, so much so that it irritates to look at the edge of the screen from the center. A very poor monitor indeed.

Curves in the front of desks is a thing.

https://www.upliftdesk.com/curved-corner-standing-desk/

> This is 128 ppi, which would be considered "retina“

If by “retina” we mean “pleasantly sharp”, not by me. I’m never buying less than the 218 ppi of my Apple Studio Display unless I absolutely have to. I’m totally spoiled.

I think the point was that people care about ppd, not ppi. 218 ppi would be too low if the screen is 1 inch from your eye or too high if it’s 100 inches from your eye.

Retina probably means 60 ppd.

Sure, but I can’t see myself sitting significantly further away from any desktop monitor than I do now.

I have the Apple 6K 32” Pro Display XDR and a Kuycon 5K 27”. Both are great. Apple was $6,500 and the Chinese version was $400 on EBay plus the $100 stand. Kuycon has more types of input, and a remote. Frame and display quality are on par for a dev.

They aren't even close in comparison? Like 600 nits brightness vs 1000 (1600 peak) for one. Contrast ratios are very very different. It only supports HDR600. They are very different displays in person. Perhaps at low brightness on text they are similar, but outside of that they really aren't very similar.

Developers mostly care about text resolution, so anything 220+ is great

yes, I couldn't tell the difference. What matters to me is to not see the pixels, and the size of the canvas. I am running the XDR at 60% brightness.

$400 where? The cheapest I've seen the kuycon 5k is $800 before shipping, and the QA has been hit and miss with users having to pay to ship it back.

It's not to say it's a bad option, but it's definitely not $400 out the door.

Ebay so likely used.

yes, someone got it from a family member, and had no use for it, and sold it to me as is. It was brand new, unopened and in original packaging.

Reviews are saying the Asus has an aggressively matte display, causing the text to look a little blurry.

If you just want 32 inches @ 6K there are cheaper options around, such as the ASUS ProArt PA32QCV: https://www.asus.com/us/displays-desktops/monitors/proart/pr... ASUS is a more well known brand. It doesn’t imitate the Apple aesthetic.

(It does seem like the resolution differs: 6016×3384 vs 6144×3456.)

I bought this right after it’s available, I like the screen but the Asus OSD is barely tolerable and I have to grow my patience because of it

Can't you avoid the OSD if you control it with DCC?

OSD ?

On screen display

thanks (and i should have thought of that...mea culpa)

In EU, have not seen PA32QCV ever in stock anywhere.

B&H has same-day pickup in New York.

Amazing, checked just now and seems that these are now in stock in many places. When I checked last week, they weren't, seems like some stock got released for EU then.

New York isn’t in the EU…

I recently got this after getting three copies of the LG 32U990A, which had serious light banding and uniformity issues. Loving the Asus.

That has a lower resolution though. Not by much but it’s a weird panel.

Same resolution as Apple’s 6K panel.

For context - this 51" monitor has 22% less pixels than the 32" Apple Pro Display XDR.

good deal considering it's much smaller and twice the price

Yes really. A pixel is a pixel. This dell monitor has pixels the size of boulders. Apple Pro Display XDR has 4.6m more pixels in a significantly smaller area creating a much denser display.

Denser pixels are worth less because you can't see them; in this case 3x-4x less.

You CAN see then, you CANNOT distinguish them apart without a closer look.

It would be a really ineffective monitor if you couldn't see the pixels.

macOS can specify regions of the screen to be 1x. If I'm using Capture One or Lightroom, my photos are at normal resolution while the UI elements are "retina/2x".

So you can see more detail but you aren't fitting more photos on the screen.

You can configure macOS to scale everything more or less, just like you want it. Same for Windows and Linux. And you keep the crispness of the full pixel resolution for text and images.

Retina pixels what? Pixel is a pixel, density _of pixels_ is what you're looking for

"Retina" is Apple's marketing name for high PPI displays.

Exactly. Retina is not "pixels" though or type of pixel

I think they mean "but those pixels are very small, right?"

6016 x 3384.

Dell monitor is twice the surface area with 3/4 the pixels … or in reverse: Apple display is half the size with 30% more pixels.

(edit: corrected dell pixel %)

What is going on here? Why is everyone in this thread using 'pixels" to mean ppi? It seems unnecessarily confusing or even misleading. I mean blatantly a 6K monitor has more pixels than a 5K or 4K one, regardless of the pixel density.

Yeah, nobody’s saying a 5k monitor has more pixels than a 6k.

I think what people are trying to communicate, but struggling to, is that high pixel count on a huge display can be deceptive.

I think grandparent was trying to say “comparing a low-poi display to a high-ppi display is not a direct comparison.”

16:9 60Hz kinda sucks though :/

Yes I realize the Pro Display XDR has those same specs. 16:10 or 3:2 120Hz or 144Hz would be ideal to me.

I posted about the new Kuycon 28” 3:2 aspect 4.5k monitor I discovered recently today:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46647190

I've got an eye on the CES Samsung Odyssey offerings at 32" 6k 165hz. I'd prefer 16:10 and currently run two 16:10 30" displays, but nobody making them.

You must have really tiny hands considering the pixels are smaller that .2mm by .2mm

Lg has a similar model: https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lg-ultrafineevo-32-6k-nano-i...

The LG only has 60Hz refresh - this Dell has 120Hz and so seems to actually take advantage of the extra thunderbolt bandwidth.

Some people are complaining the matte finish on the LG ruins part of the experience.

First time I hear about this Kuycon, the pricing seems phenomenal and the quality as well. I will probably buy one by the end of the week.

It's odd that we don't get to see a lot of high quality OEM monitors.

> the pricing seems phenomenal

I'm in Norway, and I wonder if I see different prices than people from elsewhere in the world? Here it says $1.7K, and I can get the LG UltraFine 6K 32" for $2K, with the benefit of being bought from a Norwegian retailer (think guarantees and shopping security).

To be clear; I have never tried either of these monitors, so I can't tell if either is any good. :D

Germany, also seeing $1699 on there...

Is there a significant benefit for programming in going from 4K to 6K on a 32" display? I'm currently on 27" 1440p and looking for more screen estate for my neovim setup.

If you make the fonts smaller, can you no longer read them because they are too small? Then you need a bigger monitor, not a higher resolution.

If you can no longer read them because they are too pixelated, you need a higher screen resolution.

On macOS: crisper text.

That’s on every operating system.

My understanding is that HiDPI mode on Windows requires each app to specifically support it, no?

On macOS too. On both operation systems 99% apps do though. Maybe its 99.9% on macOS vs 99.8% on Windows. But I'm using HiDPI on both and it was a long time ago that I encountered an app that didn't support it.

Is this some kind of OEM Apple display? Or did they just put all that effort into machine out those spheres in the back of it so it looks like one?

clickclack?? sounds like a shady referral link. will not click.

On the official Kuycon site, it says "Since 2023, Kuycon has partnered exclusively with ClickClack.io to bring its innovative line of monitors to customers outside of China[...]". I'm seriously considering getting one of these.

i bought mine from there

Those look like the monitors used on the F1 movie, which is strange, considering it was an Apple production and they maybe should have used apple monitors for product placement . I guess it is a testimony about Kuycon from Apple.

You should look at pictures of Apple's Pro Display XDR. The Kuycon monitor is an obvious rip-off of that in terms of styling, especially the ventilation on the back.

LG has a 6K 32 inch also, although a few hundred dollars more.

There's an awkward zone where scaling doesn't work well. But if you have a screen that can do nice high levels of detail, then you can run older UIs at exactly 2x and they will look just as good as they ever did. An Apple Pro display is a good fit here, offering 218 pixels per inch compared to a "traditional" 96.

Is this a grey box replica of the Mac 32in? Because I’d interested if it is.

I wish they had an ultra wide with the higher resolution.

this looks like a rip off of another monitor that I can't quite put my finger on...

And no extra charge to have an adjustable stand! How do they make money?

By having fewer pixels, lower quality screens? Crazy what you can do when you cut corners.

This screen reminds of when I did tech support in high school and I helped a guy who bragged about his computer monitor, it was a TV running at 720p (if not lower) and a massive screen. The windows start bar was hilariously large (as were all UI elements), I had to just smile and nod until I got out of there.

Sure, your screen may be bigger but it's blurry and everything is scaled way too large.

> By having fewer pixels

I thought samdixon was referencing the Apple Pro Display XDR? If so, Apple has fewer pixels.

Apple Pro XDR: 6016 x 3384

Kuycon G32P: 6144 x 3456

> everything is scaled way too large

The HiDPI/Retina bullshit is just bullshit. I've been running a 4K 43" 4:3 display at 100% scaling since 2018. It is neither blurry nor scaled too large. It can, however, comfortably fit 10 A4 pages simultaneously. Or 4 terminals + a browser + a PDF reader.

My arithmetic nodule is having a konniption fit. Does not compute. If this is 16:9 and you mistook your aspect ratio I can breathe again. √2:1 says 1.41:1 isn't 1.33:1

10 A4 pages do not fill a 4:3 or 3:4 aspect ratio box. They don't fill a 16:9 box either but it's more plausible, the wastage is different.

My comment (or at least that quote) was specifically about someone using a 30"+ TV at 720p as their computer monitor.

No need to recoup R&D costs.

its probably a charity, no money there.